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Apoc · Mar 10, 2011 4:17 PM

ontels wrote:

Well actually GFWL (much like the reel live...) allways screws up for me while steam never has.

You're doing it wrong(jk).

Don't know why you're having problems, I'm not, works fine with Section 8 and Kane and Lynch: Dead Men. Steam freezes and the connection drops. Some games don't like Steam(Crysis).

ontels · Mar 10, 2011 4:20 PM

Yeah it plays the games fine but when it comes to other things (reedeeming codes for example) it screws up. I havent played Crysis on steam but I do admit that the connection drops every now and then but it allways corrects itself with a simple restart.

Apoc · Mar 10, 2011 4:25 PM

And the fact that Steam limits me to 1MB/s of my 10MB/s. Which is annoying. GFWL hasn't messed up any of my codes, weird. Be glad you didn't play Crysis especially when you don't have a high end rig, the game is terribly optimised. But that's just for the graphics, as for the gameplay it's pretty cool, it's a stealth FPS and requires a LOT of attention to detail.

Also STALKER: Call of Pripyat also has(or had) problems with Steam. Steam only games work fine with Steam, I haven't had a problem with Half Life 2/Portal/Team Fortress 2/Counter Strike: Source.

ontels · Mar 10, 2011 7:49 PM

I have played crysis just not on steam.

Swaffy · Mar 10, 2011 8:01 PM

Has there been any "Console War" outcomes yet, or is this debate still on?

ontels · Mar 10, 2011 8:19 PM

I think the outcome was: "don't be so immature, everyone has different tastes".

Apoc · Mar 10, 2011 8:52 PM

Swaffy wrote:

Has there been any "Console War" outcomes yet, or is this debate still on?

Still on

dingodile555 · Mar 10, 2011 9:16 PM

The Wii cleary won the war!

riverhippo · Mar 11, 2011 5:37 AM

Wow, do people even read posts these days? or do they just write things and act like they read it...

Stormy · Mar 11, 2011 6:50 AM

I think he's trolling. Or trying to, at least.

cynderfan · Mar 11, 2011 6:59 AM

KingLambdaThePolish wrote:

To those who think the Gamecube is bad: I beg you to play Resident Evil 4. Sure it's on the PS2 and Wii as well, and with extra content, but it had been a Gamecube exclusive. Also, despite the lack of extra content, the Gamecube version has better graphics and runs far more smoothly than its PS2 counterpart. Load times are virtually non-existant in the Gamecube version. The Gamecube had great potential, few developers chose to do anything with it, (and those who did found their games under the radar simply because people assume Nintendo is only for Mario and don't even buy the console, and they have no choice but to port their games to the PS2) and that is the reason it didn't succeed.

And never forget:

Mario Sunshine
SSBB
Pokemon XD

riverhippo · Mar 11, 2011 8:33 AM

Here's where Nintendo went right:

The video game industry was in trouble after Atari was riddled with worthless games that left people unsatisfied. So when Nintendo released their NES, they created a system of fair consumer gaming. They called it the "Nintendo Seal of Quality." Basically, if the game wasn't good, Nintendo wouldn't let it sell. This made the NES a high quality system for its time.

Here's where Nintendo went wrong:

The seal of approval was ingenious until Nintendo had it's first competition with Sega. The Nintendo Seal of Quality then became a marketing blockade. Any Sega developers that wanted to run a high quality game on the SNES platform were simply rejected by Nintendo's superiority. Today, I believe it hinders Wii from being a competitive gaming system, because Nintendo has "successfully" separated themselves and their own franchises (Zelda, Mario, Kirby, etc.) from the rest of the gaming industry. Wii isn't losing the console battle. It's hard to lose when you're by yourself.

Clock-la · Mar 11, 2011 4:49 PM

I think its a sence of who you are and what your looking for realy...no point in getting a Wii if you want FPS's as well there arn't THAT many realy...from what I know of anyway XD tongue

Apoc · Mar 11, 2011 5:44 PM

I want to get a PS3 and a 360, expand my games library a little more. Currently I own a PC and a Wii.

ontels · Mar 11, 2011 6:04 PM

Apoc wrote:

I want to get a PS3 and a 360, expand my games library a little more. Currently I own a PC and a Wii.

Now thats forward thinking, death to the fanboys!

Clock-la · Mar 11, 2011 6:57 PM

ontels wrote:

Apoc wrote:
I want to get a PS3 and a 360, expand my games library a little more. Currently I own a PC and a Wii.
Now thats forward thinking, death to the fanboys!

Exsacly.

I remember on the 360 sectyion on GT a guy asked "Any good JRPGs for ps3?"

then an Xbot came over poasting HUGE lectures on why JRPGs are better on the 360. No offence 360 people, im not saying there worse, I hav'nt tryd any but still he wanted good onse for the PS3, there are also PS3 fanboys that do the same however hmm

Jusey1 · Mar 11, 2011 6:59 PM

Basicly, There is not one bad console out there. It's all up to the player's point of view.

And in my point, the best console is the computer. Unless you not want to count that then for me it'll be Xbox 360. (Due to games on it)

This is all I am saying. As for the GameCube, never really got one or used one so idk much about it.

Apoc · Mar 11, 2011 9:09 PM

Jusey1 wrote:

Basicly, There is not one bad console out there. It's all up to the player's point of view.
And in my point, the best console is the computer. Unless you not want to count that then for me it'll be Xbox 360. (Due to games on it)
This is all I am saying. As for the GameCube, never really got one or used one so idk much about it.

PC is not a console.

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Jusey1 · Mar 11, 2011 10:47 PM

Apoc wrote:

PC is not a console.

As long you can understand what I've said. It's all good.

Apoc · Mar 11, 2011 10:54 PM

ontels wrote:

Apoc wrote:
I want to get a PS3 and a 360, expand my games library a little more. Currently I own a PC and a Wii.
Now thats forward thinking, death to the fanboys!

Indeed

Neotyguy40 · Mar 12, 2011 1:16 AM

Computer > PS3 + Xbox +Wii

Although I guess a computer isn't really considered part of the 'console' wars, eh?

I don't consider the Wii in competition of the Xbox or PS3 since it seems to be in a complete different plane of gaming than the other two. So I will boot that one from my list too, but not out of dislike for it (I love the Wii).

I would consider the console wars just the PS3 vs. 360. Personally, I like the PS3 better due to the graphics, games, controller, network, and a few other small bits.

1. The graphics are obviously better on the PS3, but not by much. It is definitely not a dealbreaker for me since I mostly pay attention to gameplay.
2. The games on the PS3 just appeal to me more than the 360 games. I'm not going to list games that are available to both systems, because that would be stupid. Personally, I can't think of a single game that's 360 exclusive that I would like to buy. However, I enjoy Gran Turismo, Infamous, God of War, Little Big Planet, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, and if it ever comes out, Sly Cooper 4! I don't enjoy FPS games on consoles, and Halo is the only 360 exclusive that comes to my mind (I know there are a lot more, but that's what comes to MY mind)
3. I personally love the controller on the PS3 than the Xbox. My first console was the PS1, so I grew up using it. However, I just LOVE the PS3 controller over the 360 because it is so much more symmetrical. Gives me a comfortable feel rather than having my thumbs in two completely different areas of the gamepad.
4. It's not that I like the PS3 network. I feel having the need of a network on consoles is stupid (of course, online play is still good, just not the network itself). However, I can't stand the 360 network. Do I care whether or not my neighbor is playing Black Ops? NO! Just get off my minimap you stupid green button! I don't WANT to join your group! I have to mute EACH INDIVIDUAL PLAYER!? Not to mention I have to PAY for all of that. I quit Live after 2 short months. Not regretting it either.
5. I don't have a large collection of Blu-ray disks, mostly because I am a digital download kind of person (I get all my movies from iTunes), however my parents did get Inception and Avatar on Blu-ray, and I am very happy the option is there. Is it worth the extra $100? Probably not, but it is a nice bonus.

Now I have a 360, but let's just say for sake of argument I do not. Could you guys convince me to get one?

Swaffy · Mar 12, 2011 1:39 AM

After all of that, I don't think It'd be possible.
You know what you like, and you don't find what you like in the Xbox 360.

Apoc · Mar 12, 2011 2:39 AM

I love the PC because of many things lets list them:

1) Online. The PC is the king of online, it has been for many years. Dedicated servers, mods, etc. Gun Game(for those of you who played Black Ops) was first introduced in Counter Strike. Counter Strike and Team Fortress were originally Quake mods.

2) Mods. I've mentioned mods above but there are mods that also alter the singleplayer games as well, like on Dragon Age: Origins there is a mod that I can use to get into a relationship with any of the romancible characters, even if they only fancy the opposing gender. I can also temporarily change my gender or change my stats whenever I want. There are also mods that made Crysis' graphics even better and they also properly optimise the game. There are also skin mods that, so far, I've only seen in Team Fortress 2.

3) Graphics. Normally I don't care about graphics but I will point out that because the PC has all that power at it's disposal it is capable of amazing graphics. But most console fanboys would use the "but it costs $2000" excuse. We spend this money because we want to give our graphics cards a workout, we want high quality games. For what a high end PC will produce it's well worth the price, and trust me, you DON'T get the same quality on a console.

4) Gameplay. FPS, RPG, MMO, MOBA and RTS games are much better on PC because of the keyboard and mouse. There are even mice and keyboards specifically designed for certain genres. Here are a few examples:

World of Warcraft ZBoard with foldable keys: 81dA33ZnIgL._AA1500_.jpg

Logitech G15 keyboard with LCD Panel(shows stats, health, exp, etc):

Razer Naga MMO mouse(12 quickbar buttons): 51UpwGjf69L._AA1000_.jpg

My only gripes with the PC:

1) Bad PC ports. These are lazy attempts by developers to gain extra sales, there are a metric ton of them. SAW, Resident Evil 4, Devil May Cry 3, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the list goes on.

2) The lack of exclusives. The PC has very few exclusives, barring the RTS, MMO and MOBA games.

3) Consolification. When PC games are dumbed down because of console ports, examples: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, etc.

And that's it.

Neotyguy40 · Mar 12, 2011 3:32 AM

Apoc wrote:

I love the PC because of many things lets list them:
1) Online. The PC is the king of online, it has been for many years. Dedicated servers, mods, etc. Gun Game(for those of you who played Black Ops) was first introduced in Counter Strike. Counter Strike and Team Fortress were originally Quake mods.

Counter Strike was based off of a Half-life modification, not Quake. Same with the original Team Fortress.

Apoc wrote:

2) Mods. I've mentioned mods above but there are mods that also alter the singleplayer games as well, like on Dragon Age: Origins there is a mod that I can use to get into a relationship with any of the romancible characters, even if they only fancy the opposing gender. I can also temporarily change my gender or change my stats whenever I want. There are also mods that made Crysis' graphics even better and they also properly optimise the game. There are also skin mods that, so far, I've only seen in Team Fortress 2.

If you play the original CoD and the expansion UO, I have to show you a mod that lets you fly planes and drop bombs XD.

Apoc wrote:

3) Graphics. Normally I don't care about graphics but I will point out that because the PC has all that power at it's disposal it is capable of amazing graphics. But most console fanboys would use the "but it costs $2000" excuse. We spend this money because we want to give our graphics cards a workout, we want high quality games. For what a high end PC will produce it's well worth the price, and trust me, you DON'T get the same quality on a console.[/i]
Let's see... A brand new released console costs about $400. The primary function of it is to play games. A brand new computer that can play on those graphics costs $1000 if you are going really high end (and it has flexible pricing from $600-$2000). The primary function of the computer is to be able to... Compute. A normal computer costs around $400 on average (even that's slightly expensive). Basically just adding the difference would make a $600 computer worth $800. I would say you are getting a lot more out of a computer.
Apoc wrote:
4) Gameplay. FPS, RPG, MMO, MOBA and RTS games are much better on PC because of the keyboard and mouse. There are even mice and keyboards specifically designed for certain genres. Here are a few examples:
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Agreed. The only actual game I could think of that is better on a console would be a platformer game. Though you can plug gamepads into the computer, so even that problem is solved.
Apoc wrote:
My only gripes with the PC:
1) Bad PC ports. These are lazy attempts by developers to gain extra sales, there are a metric ton of them. SAW, Resident Evil 4, Devil May Cry 3, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the list goes on.
That's why you don't buy ports to the computer from a console. They always suck in the end.
Apoc wrote:
2) The lack of exclusives. The PC has very few exclusives, barring the RTS, MMO and MOBA games.
I have more games on my computer that are exclusives than they aren't:
Amnesia
Counter-strike
Day-of-Defeat
Penumbra
SPORE
Killing Floor
Not to mention all the casual and Indie games that I have. Legions Overdrive, Audiosurf, Galcon, and probably many others I've never heard of or remember at this point. Plus all the really old games like Doom and There are probably more exclusives for the computer than any individual console.
Apoc wrote:
3) Consolification. When PC games are dumbed down because of console ports, examples: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, etc.
And that's it.
Like I said... Don't buy ports of games. Activision, EA, and other similar companies port their games to make money off their title, not their quality.

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