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#26 Oct 28, 2008 8:06 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Cynder reuniting with Spyro... she may of been occupied somewhere in the old series. I don't know what but it's still possible.
That might work.
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#27 Oct 28, 2008 8:09 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
I mentioned this in another thread but it's perfectly possible to go back to the old timeline and still have Cynder in it.
One of the suggestions I made was that since the first Spyro game had all these worlds with different dragons, perhaps they could make a whole new world filled with dark dragons and haunted themes and Cynder could be a friend of Spyro's from that world.
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#28 Oct 28, 2008 8:23 PM
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I recall running into that post. I also recall a Solar System holo projection found in Red's Laboratory in AHT. I have been keeping a close eye on that and wondered if portals were powerful enough to jump from one planet to another. That is, if inhabitable and the entry point coordinates is set.
I was thinking of calling them something like Hovana Sul and Wynn. I think the reference of "Worlds" and "Realms" are some kind of way the dragons describe continents and such.
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#29 Oct 28, 2008 8:41 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
I never really noticed that, though I did like Red's Lab. It was one of the only "levels" I actually kind of enjoyed in AHT. If it was some sort of easter egg to explain how to portals worked in the old games, that's pretty cool.
Great, husband just explained to me what he thought would be a cool basis for a new Spyro game returning to its roots, and now I'm sad that's it never going to happen despite that it's a cool idea. He said since it's been so long since the first game, they should make a new game based around its mechanics in which Spyro travels to different dragon realms, and they have new ones plus the old five but way bigger because it'd be next gen. He mentioned it'd be cool if they had an underwater-based world like Banjo-Tooie's Atlantis, only bigger, with water dragons. Then he said something about space dragons, dark dragons with Cynder, (like I said) and then he thought about it and said "how about a power plant sort of world also? With small electric dragons!"
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#30 Oct 28, 2008 9:41 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
those r good ideas ur husband came up wiv y dont u send them to sierra u could be responisble 4 a new spyro game wiv it in some shape or form
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#31 Oct 28, 2008 10:00 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
those r good ideas ur husband came up wiv y dont u send them to sierra u could be responisble 4 a new spyro game wiv it in some shape or form
I have been working on such an idea but I need to get the details locked down pretty good before I present it. I doubt that anyone has gone far with *multi-perspective story telling, **a playable human character, or ***highly flexible combat.
*A limited 3rd-person story, each told from a single character's unique perspective of the events that happen around them.
**I thought of what might happen if you toss someone like that into the game despite the other humans that appeared in previous titles.
***Combat that ranges from melee, weapons, elemental, flight, and double co-op tactics.
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#32 Oct 28, 2008 11:05 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
those r good ideas ur husband came up wiv y dont u send them to sierra u could be responisble 4 a new spyro game wiv it in some shape or form
NOOOOOO!!!!! I like the legend of Spyro! I don't want to start a whole 'nother series again!!!!! I like Spyro the way he is now.(And yes, I first started playing Spyro when the old games had just come out, so it's not like I don't have Spyro in my "childhood".)
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#33 Oct 29, 2008 12:25 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Isn't that kind of unfair? I mean, a lot of people liked old Spyro the way he was and they went and changed it. If they stayed like that and made good games for tLoS to never have existed I'm sure nobody would have cared.
Wasn't the end of DotD enough closure anyway? Does it really matter what happens after it? If you just want to see some Spyro and Cynder lovin', can't we just use our imaginations and stick to fanfiction? It shouldn't really matter if they reboot or return if the game is good. Besides, Cynder can be a love interest even if the universe is different. Sure I don't like her as a love interest, but it wouldn't matter to me as long as the games are charming and enjoyable. Make her a princess that's constantly getting kidnapped and Spyro makes out with her at the end, it doesn't matter to me, as long as the game is awesome.
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#34 Oct 29, 2008 1:10 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Isn't that kind of unfair? I mean, a lot of people liked old Spyro the way he was and they went and changed it. If they stayed like that and made good games for tLoS to never have existed I'm sure nobody would have cared.
Wasn't the end of DotD enough closure anyway? Does it really matter what happens after it? If you just want to see some Spyro and Cynder lovin', can't we just use our imaginations and stick to fanfiction? It shouldn't really matter if they reboot or return if the game is good. Besides, Cynder can be a love interest even if the universe is different. Sure I don't like her as a love interest, but it wouldn't matter to me as long as the games are charming and enjoyable. Make her a princess that's constantly getting kidnapped and Spyro makes out with her at the end, it doesn't matter to me, as long as the game is awesome.
What, no! I like ybder as a dark. And I don't really think it was much of a closure! It's not really that I want to see them love each other, I just want to actually see what really happened etc. I like serious better. Mabey(sp?) they could re-make the others, but for continuing-wise, I think they should keep going on with what happens next.
Isn't that kind of unfair? I mean, a lot of people liked old Spyro the way he was and they went and changed it. If they stayed like that and made good games for tLoS to never have existed I'm sure nobody would have cared.
Wasn't the end of DotD enough closure anyway? Does it really matter what happens after it? If you just want to see some Spyro and Cynder lovin', can't we just use our imaginations and stick to fanfiction? It shouldn't really matter if they reboot or return if the game is good. Besides, Cynder can be a love interest even if the universe is different. Sure I don't like her as a love interest, but it wouldn't matter to me as long as the games are charming and enjoyable. Make her a princess that's constantly getting kidnapped and Spyro makes out with her at the end, it doesn't matter to me, as long as the game is awesome.
Also, don'tyou think people would get sick of the same thing always? Like, some evil person steals/ freezes/ etc. something, then you have to go find it and on the way, defeat some villans. With the new spyro, the actual story is a bigger factor. So wouldn't it be unfair if they were to continue the old stuff, and people got sick of it?
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#35 Oct 29, 2008 1:48 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
How is it a bigger factor? It's the same "villain causes some chaos, defeat his henchmen, get to the villain" thing with the tLoS games. Even if it was the same drive anyway, when you have sidequests it doesn't always follow it. What does skateboarding with Hunter have to do with defeating The Sorceress? Nothing. He just happened to conveniently have an egg for you.
Continuing the old story doesn't automatically mean using the same formula anyway, they could just as perfectly make an event-based platforming game, where you do things for certain people, get certain items from them, those items get you along, and so on. (Tomba! used this method.) Even then, using the same formula doesn't burn out if you know how to evolve it. Why do you think the Mario and Zelda games are still alive and kicking? Sure, Wind Waker had that whole "explore the ocean!" thing that other Zelda games didn't have but it was still the same basic "defeat Ganon, save the princess, collect heart pieces, finish temples, etc." thing as always.
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#36 Oct 29, 2008 3:17 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Spyro iz sriz busniss, amIright?
I played Spyro when it first hit the PlayStation in the early 90s, at the time it was an impressive game, but with each game that came out, it just grew more and more pathetic and stupid. Really, if it wasn't for Sierra rebooting this game, it would been a thing of the past. TLoS had a great story line, though I will admit the first 2 games weren't perfect.
I think DotD is what Spyro was meant to be. Some people hate TLoS for stupid reasons like "Oh noes, he isn't the little smart@$$ crack addict dragon anymore, QQ". Want to know why I think the new Spyro is better? One, he is actually more serious, and not the little smack talking little runt he was. Two, the game actually has a good story line, which some people think is too cliche, omg, wtf isn't Cliche anymore?! Three, a female character with a twisted life story who a lot of people love. Four, the game actually had more of a challenge than the old games, most enemys in the old spyro games where basically one shot...OOOoooOOO! That's rough....The combat system in TLoS was 10x better especially in DotD. I could go on, but I understand we all have our own opinions.
Also, Kazoobie64, lol, I must say, I have read many of your posts, you are not a person anyone could ever convince that TLoS was good. lol
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#37 Oct 29, 2008 3:18 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
its easy to oversimplify any plot like that. Isn't every metal gear game just infiltrate this place go to this one and destroy this thing? But the plots never really get too old. I think anything with spyro will really entertain us all. As long as they don't make a childrens game, i'll be fine!
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#38 Oct 29, 2008 4:08 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Also, Kazoobie64, lol, I must say, I have read many of your posts, you are not a person anyone could ever convince that TLoS was good. lol
Because it isn't good.
Isn't "trying to CONVINCE that it's good" being a salesman anyway?
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#39 Oct 29, 2008 4:20 AM
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Gunderstank wrote:Also, Kazoobie64, lol, I must say, I have read many of your posts, you are not a person anyone could ever convince that TLoS was good. lol
Because it isn't good.
Isn't "trying to CONVINCE that it's good" being a salesman anyway?
You can't go about saying that. You don't think it's good. Other people do. I personally prefer it. I do respect your opinion though. I'm not going to say who is right, because in an objective situation like this, nobody is right, because it's all about opinion. I liked all of the games alot. If they remade the old games with better graphics, they would be perfectly equal with the new games. Especially if they had 2p. I live with my gf and spyro is like a huge part of our life we're big fans. Bought the new game first day, got a purple dragon vinyl on the side of our car, etc. We're huge fans. We love literally every spyro game. Everything about spyro is good. They really haven't made any huge mistakes yet. I'm glad they didnt take spyro into the "kids game" direction. We can all agree on that.
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#40 Oct 29, 2008 12:18 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
yeh thats true spyros story has grown up but the old storeies r still good
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#41 Oct 29, 2008 3:59 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
I'm glad they didnt take spyro into the "kids game" direction. We can all agree on that.
What exactly is a "kid's game" to you people? Because I sit here and play games about a blue hedgehog with shoes, a bear who gets about with the help of a bird in his backpack, some funny midget plumber guy, a game where you live in a city filled with adorable talking animals, a game about farming... And kids play these games too. So... Are these kid's games? Oh ok, but tLoS is too. You got your bug-eyed purple talking dragon and his zany wise-cracking sidekick who makes jokes that no adult would ever laugh at. (And if you did... Wow.)
TLoS is clearly a kid's game, man. I don't know why everyone keeps denying it. Even Sierra said they were aiming for the 9-12 market.
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#42 Oct 29, 2008 7:25 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
well i mean, if they came out with a game like:
Spyro: Letter Adventure
OR something like, where the major things would be
collect the gems to save the teddy bear nation from insomnia.
The older games were a bit childish. At least the new one is gripping. More action, with harder puzzles. Not just jump,glide,flap,run,repeat, with an occasional flame. Don't get me wrong, i love the older games. I just am alot more excited when i play the new ones. I understand you're not a fan. I play harvest moon too. I loved banjo kazooie. I don't really like sparx. I liked him best as david spade, cuz i was constsantly like OMG JOE DIRT IS DISSING ME.
I'm glad that they didn't pursue the more childish genre. Like, instead of growing up, the games would dumb down a little. They could've gone either way. Give TLOS a chance. It's different, i know. I was iffy about it at first.
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#43 Oct 29, 2008 8:13 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
I already tried them. Don't like them, sorry, and neither do loads of adults. Games can be childish but who cares? If they're charming and fun it really doesn't matter. A game being "more serious" than the other doesn't make it better. You got to keep in mind that even the most childish of games is made by adult minds, kids and adults see things differently and as an adult you'll notice things you don't notice as a child. Therefore you'll be looking at what can be considered a kid's game through an adult perspective. There's also nothing wrong with being a kid-at-heart.
There are lots of things I notice now as an adult from things I enjoyed as a kid that are well, for the adult mind. For example, the Peanuts comics are ultimately depressing. Lots of Disney movies, such as Bambi, are pretty darn depressing and controversial too. The novel "Watership Down" by Richard Adams is supposed to be a tale about the adventures of cute bunny rabbits, as I saw it as a kid. When I grew up though I noticed how violent it was and how it portrayed a mysoginistic society. The C.S. Lewis Narnia books... I didn't even notice all the allegories to christianity until I grew up.
The "kid's game" excuse is pointless and played out. Bear in mind that Activision calls the old games childish as a marketing strategy to attract older audiences, even though their games are childish as well. Let's move on.
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Spyro: Letter Adventure? Uhh, where did that come from? That's not relevant. =/
OK, first of all, I don't know how the old games are childish and the new ones aren't. They're both a bit childish, but who cares? Making the games more violent and giving them a so-called epic storyline doesn't exempt a game from childishness.
Also, I can't believe you're calling the old Spyro repetitive. At least there are different types of puzzles and challenges, not just cutscene, bash monkeys, use your breath types on some torches, more monkeys, boss, repeat. I fail to see the variety.
And yes, I have given TLoS a chance, and I don't like it. I've played through ANB, and yesterday I thought I'd see if TEN is any better....
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#45 Oct 29, 2008 9:07 PM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
ok all i meant was that teh story has chnaged so it was a bit more organised thats wot i meant by grown up
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#46 Oct 29, 2008 9:37 PM
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:? Whoa... looks like a storm blew through here while I was gone.
I'm glad they didn't take Spyro into the "kids game" direction. We can all agree on that.
Kids game? Maybe. There are a number of things you need to look over before judging it.
/Gameplay/
Late 90's to before the reboot - Most of the old titles are platforming based. You basically have to defeat baddies, collect whatever you need or can collect, complete events, and beat bosses. What was unique was the free roam where you could go to any level allowed in the limited space provided. Side Quests came in later afterward.
Reboot - The newer titles are more liner and have more focus on a beat 'em up type of gameplay. Most collectibles became limited and Side Quests were no longer available. Baddies were harder to defeat than before and that is a slight improvement.
/Story/
The story drives the design of most things in a game. Things like locations, gameplay, and characters are affected.
Late 90's to before the reboot - The storyline is not very detailed in the older titles and can be considered a weak spot AND a strong spot. This gave the developers more freedom to do what they wish.
Reboot - The storyline takes a turn for a more epic "Lord of the Rings" feel and put limits onto the game. All three (locations, gameplay, and characters) are affected and made it seem more serious.
/Graphics/
Late 90's to before the reboot - The first three games used a newly develop technology that allows the sky to be bend into a "bubble" like shape around the level. This made the level more detailed and gave a sense of the expanse that surrounded them. The draw distance was smooth with textures. The closer you get to something, the more detail that appeared. The game didn't have very good real time lighting but the fixed points worked to the game's advantage.
Reboot - The graphics appear more detailed but appear more gloomy than the older titles. Some places are overdone causing the area to be too bright and most objects had too much glow to them. During the realtime cutscenes, there is a small noticeable amount of the animation snapping back and forth. DotD didn't have this issue.
/Sound/
The sound is important to any game. Most games use pre-recorded sound that have appeared in other titles and are sometimes blended with another sound to hide it. (Nice try) Music is accounted as sound in this section.
Late 90's to before the reboot - Most of the sound effects were set for one single event instead of a sound set. Notable sounds were not used twice except for collectibles, explosions, attacks, etc. The music was a set theme for each world or hub and use a certain instrument set. They vary in world levels and sets change in world hubs. It was mostly filled with energetic paced or trance like music with a mix of metal.
Reboot - Again, the game took the turn for an epic feel. That included the music as well. It sounded more like a composed orchestra score than a computer arranged track. The sound effects are now composed of sound sets for each event and sometimes change in pitch.
A "kids game" eh? I can say that it is mostly suited as an average game that is mostly humorous for the old and more serious in the new. The rating may say it's permitted for kids but that doesn't mean it is suppose to be easy.
I hope your satisfied...Now look what you made me do. I just wasted 30 minutes typing that. <_<
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#48 Oct 30, 2008 2:56 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
What exactly is a "kid's game" to you people? Because I sit here and play games about a blue hedgehog with shoes, a bear who gets about with the help of a bird in his backpack, some funny midget plumber guy, a game where you live in a city filled with adorable talking animals, a game about farming... And kids play these games too. So... Are these kid's games? Oh ok, but tLoS is too. You got your bug-eyed purple talking dragon and his zany wise-cracking sidekick who makes jokes that no adult would ever laugh at. (And if you did... Wow.)
sonic
banjo kazooie
mario
animal crossing
harvest moon
thats an awesome list of games, ive either played or want to play all of them
here is the problem with tLoS
if the main character had been someone other than spyro it would have very few fans
if the main character had been something other than a dragon it would near definitely have been a complete flop
people recognise spyro and get excited, people see dragons and get excited, the problem is, it doesnt play anything like a spyro game
the mushroom kingdom is always going to be filled with bright stuff and funny looking bad guys with places accessible only via a set path or by collecting sentient stars which act simultaneously as keys and/or power sources
hyrule is always going to be treading the line between humourous and serious with temples which seem to be conveniently designed and placed so as to prevent access to anyone without a specific tool/weapon
whatever world the worms games are set in is always going to consist of funny sounding annelids with the most insane weaponry ever concieved
these are the things that make these games great, sometimes a character contributes to the "essence" of a game/series but its never the be all and end all
kirby is a highly unique character, but it just wouldnt be a kirby game if you suddenly had all his enemies as nazi assassins with machine guns and grenades
im not going to say the new spyro games are bad, or that you shouldnt enjoy them, but people need to open their eyes and see that they should never have featured "spyro" as the title, as it serves only to insult the memory of a great game
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#49 Oct 30, 2008 3:27 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Spyro iz sriz busniss, amIright?
I played Spyro when it first hit the PlayStation in the early 90s, at the time it was an impressive game, but with each game that came out, it just grew more and more pathetic and stupid. Really, if it wasn't for Sierra rebooting this game, it would been a thing of the past. TLoS had a great story line, though I will admit the first 2 games weren't perfect.
I think DotD is what Spyro was meant to be. Some people hate TLoS for stupid reasons like "Oh noes, he isn't the little smart@$$ crack addict dragon anymore, QQ". Want to know why I think the new Spyro is better? One, he is actually more serious, and not the little smack talking little runt he was. Two, the game actually has a good story line, which some people think is too cliche, omg, wtf isn't Cliche anymore?! Three, a female character with a twisted life story who a lot of people love. Four, the game actually had more of a challenge than the old games, most enemys in the old spyro games where basically one shot...OOOoooOOO! That's rough....The combat system in TLoS was 10x better especially in DotD. I could go on, but I understand we all have our own opinions.
Also, Kazoobie64, lol, I must say, I have read many of your posts, you are not a person anyone could ever convince that TLoS was good. lol
I agree 100% with you.
Gunderstank wrote:Also, Kazoobie64, lol, I must say, I have read many of your posts, you are not a person anyone could ever convince that TLoS was good. lol
Because it isn't good.
Isn't "trying to CONVINCE that it's good" being a salesman anyway?
Dude, trying to covince us it's bad is just as....bad.... Lol! Well, anyways, I accept your opinions, but I don't agree still. I just keep getting sick of people making boards that talk about "how great the old Spyro games were compared to the TLS games". Ther is a point that it just makes others upset, and makes more people begin to argue. I'm sorry I took part in it, but I admit I shouldn't have involved myself. I just don't see any reason why we need SO MANY BOARDS, talking about getting rid of the new games. I love these games. Why end a story that so many people love? It's not like you guys can't just play the old games. The new games have yet to come out still(someone confirmed more) so it's not like we'd want to just stop and let you guys have more and more games for a couple years, THEN release the rest of the story.
Don't double post.
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#50 Oct 30, 2008 5:05 AM
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Re: what will happen to spyro ater dawn of the dragon ?
Too bad I didn't predict epic conflict in THIS topic -.-
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