The fight between new and old spyro

Misa · May 27, 2008 7:26 AM

Everyone has different options as long we donâ€™t flame each other, its good that we have this type of discussion

ratchet · May 27, 2008 11:07 AM

different options?
everyone should have the right to free spech, no matter how negative it is, everyone here should stop being so defensive.If i sound like a broken record, too bad, dont come to these contraversial "discusion" thread.
BOT, Saying that the old Spyro is "better" than the new spyro is hard to say because they are two different kinds of games, but when i say i "prefer" the old spyro, that is different I mean that if i had a choice, old spyro would exist and not new Spyro. So stop saying all this crap about comparing it is "comparing apples to firengines" because i know they are different. Its just like me saying that I'd Rather have Halo than Call of duty, But spyro IS different to that anyway. With Spyro, Halo HAD to die for call of duty to begin, which SUCKS for many people. If you cant immagine what some of us are going through well then thats too bad for us...

Doppelgangergang · May 27, 2008 9:08 PM

ratchet wrote:

If you cant immagine what some of us are going through well then thats too bad for us...

Sucks to be you.

That would be in a joking way, though.

Fletch_Talon · May 28, 2008 4:30 AM

ive already said this elsewhere but the problem is in fact that they are different games, the entire genre has changed, and the issue with that is the fact that the new game, it could have been made with any new character, whereas spyro games until now had a genre pretty much all of their own, there was mario 64 but i think spyro expanded on that and made it better

its kinda like if you took sonic the hedgehog and rather than making a series where he ran really fast through every level, you rebooted the franchise and made an rpg out of it, where the only reference to sonic's speed was in a set of character statistics

Syler Bladewing · May 28, 2008 4:36 AM

Yeesh. Such heated debate. But yeah, I'm going to have to throw my vote in with the Legend saga. It really got me back into Spyro. Nothing against the old games, but they were a little too... 'light' for me. Y'know, they were really very bright and colorful. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not what I was looking for. So yeah, TLOS wins in my book.

TheManiacOnWheels · May 28, 2008 6:43 AM

Syler Bladewing wrote:

Yeesh. Such heated debate. But yeah, I'm going to have to throw my vote in with the Legend saga. It really got me back into Spyro. Nothing against the old games, but they were a little too... 'light' for me. Y'know, they were really very bright and colorful. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not what I was looking for. So yeah, TLOS wins in my book.

Same here. I just got bored of the...bright cartoonishness. I'm an action-blood-and-guts person. Since T.L.o.S was closer to the mark than the old series, I prefer it.

Misa · May 28, 2008 9:39 AM

I meant everyone has a say in this and SHOULD NOT BE PUT DOWN

ratchet · May 28, 2008 10:08 AM

"at would be in a joking way, though."
Doppel, ono offence but you REALLY dont need to put that small wriyng, its just annoying having to "translate" it.

spyromaster330 · May 29, 2008 9:38 AM

TheManiacOnWheels wrote:

Syler Bladewing wrote:
Yeesh. Such heated debate. But yeah, I'm going to have to throw my vote in with the Legend saga. It really got me back into Spyro. Nothing against the old games, but they were a little too... 'light' for me. Y'know, they were really very bright and colorful. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not what I was looking for. So yeah, TLOS wins in my book.
Same here. I just got bored of the...bright cartoonishness. I'm an action-blood-and-guts person. Since T.L.o.S was closer to the mark than the old series, I prefer it.

I personally prefer the "light" spyro myself. I like how its really bright and colourful and the wrolds and storyline are really good that way. I still like it how TLOS is "dark" and everything but i just prefer Spyro being all bright and happy smile thats just my opinion.

Fletch_Talon · May 29, 2008 10:19 AM

TheManiacOnWheels wrote:

Same here. I just got bored of the...bright cartoonishness. I'm an action-blood-and-guts person. Since T.L.o.S was closer to the mark than the old series, I prefer it.

i really dont understand that, there are so many games out there that would be more suited to you than spyro

the problem is this, its not that people think new spyro sucks, or is a bad game (ok im sure some do but for the most part) its that spyro was a game created to be light hearted, free, happy, humourous, it was a game like that, so it confuses many of us as to why spyro is now doing little else besides fighting, and why everything is so dramatic, it just would have made more sense to create a new game entirely

spyro unfortunately seems to be just like a whole lot of other games, and doesnt have much to make it stand out

i think the new people behind spyro have jumped on the bandwagon of people who think to be successful nowadays games have to be dark and filled with action, you hear so many people mocking the wii as an inferior system cuz its games are supposedly for kids, i personally find "kiddy" games like the original spyros, mario galaxy and harvest moon more fun than war game after war game regardless of how good they look

TheManiacOnWheels · May 29, 2008 10:56 PM

Heh, I can't help it, I'm stark raving mad about Spyro. Any Spyro.
Yeah, there are alot of other games more suited to that taste than it, but I like other things too. *cough* Crash Bandicoot*cough*.
Meh, bright, happy, kiddy games are fine, but they're not my favourite. Spyro doesn't have to be resticted to that genre.

dragon protector x · Jun 04, 2008 7:04 PM

I went threw some more Spyro music videos and i have seen about 30 more pictures of Spyro X Cynder. I really do think that this new game pulled Spyro out of the pit before he was lost for ever.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 04, 2008 7:38 PM

dragon protector x wrote:

I really do think that this new game pulled Spyro out of the pit before he was lost for ever.

Seconded!! wink

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 04, 2008 8:11 PM

*sighs* Well than Doppelgangergang, if you're the official TLoS Basher Basher, then I guess that makes me the mediator:

Both the Insomniac Series and TLoS have their strengths and weaknesses.

Insomniac:

Strengths:

Unbelievable characters
Fun minigames
Addicting gameplay and plot. Even when you finish the games completely, you still can't stop playing them
Good amount of humor
Platforming, and very interesting level designs and music

Weaknesses:

Repetitive gameplay
Repetitive storylines
Ripto makes too many returns
Bosses weren't very challenging, same with levels

That covers Insomniac's games.

The Legend of Spyro:

Strengths:

Amazing graphics
Incredible characters
Interesting gameplay
Great voice actors
Kept pulling you in, where you kept playing until you beat it

Weaknesses:

Lack of platforming and minigames
Extremities in difficulty (ANB was too easy, TEN was rather difficult)
Repetitive gameplay
Games have too few levels, making total gametime too short

And there you have it, the strengths and weaknesses of both series in a nutshell.

The point is, Insomniac's series and TLoS both have their strengths and weaknesses. They'll both have avid supporters and whatnot.

Anyway you slice it, I like both series the same.

Gwenio · Jun 04, 2008 8:24 PM

They never said they are going back to the originals. All indications are that they will make more that expand on what was done with LoS.

Michael Graham
wrote:
That said, I guess you could look at it this way, 4 years ago Spyro was being considered for retirement, whereas now it is thriving, a movie is being made, etc.

That statement points to continuing in the direction they are now and making more games as you do not stop a series while is is thriving.

TheManiacOnWheels · Jun 04, 2008 11:56 PM

Works for me. I get so tired of the countless arguments of which is better.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 05, 2008 3:20 AM

and im sick and tired of people implying that there was something wrong with the old series which made the reboot necessary, its not the old series' fault that a bunch of designers stuffed it up, if the right bunch of people had taken over the reigns, we wouldnt be having this arguement because TLoS wouldnt exist, the series didnt need a reboot, it needed someone who could handle the genre

depaul · Jun 05, 2008 4:56 AM

I think what I'm saying is very similar to Blaze's post. Two very different kinds of games, two different kinds of fans. I think we can coexist peacefully on this forum, for a couple of reasons. First, I think most of the people on this forum think that flamewars are negative, and there needs to be a solution. Second, discussing the differences between the old and new, and our opinions, is good. And finally, we can solve this problem by ending reactionary behavior.

The first point is pretty simple. If you read through the thread, most of the posts are people saying that the flaming is ridiculous and that we should all get along.

Second, I don't think that disagreement and debate are bad. Spyro's been around for 10 years, and he's changed alot. It's natural for us to have opinions on those changes. I think discussion of those changes is one of the most important and interesting things this forum facilitates. By talking about the differences, we gain a new perspective on the series, and help to bridge the gap between the two series. People should continue to have strong opinons on the changes in the series.

However, I think reactionaries have really warped many of these discussions. For instance, this post is called "The fight between LoS and Insomniac", or something along those lines. This kind of activity is really only meant to insight argument, not meaningful discussion. Again, I don't think that having a strong opinion is bad, but when everyone flips out and starts throwing around tomatoes and calling everyone an "x basher", it just throws the whole thread into chaos.

So in conclusion, we need to stop reactionary behavior and calling everyone a basher for having an opinion. We should, however, continue discussion of the changes in the series. Talking about Spyro is what the forum is about, after all. Hopefully, this can bring an end to the fighting without censoring everyone's thoughts.

spyromaster330 · Jun 05, 2008 7:12 AM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

*sighs* Well than Doppelgangergang, if you're the official TLoS Basher Basher, then I guess that makes me the mediator:
Both the Insomniac Series and TLoS have their strengths and weaknesses.
Insomniac:
Strengths:
Unbelievable characters
Fun minigames
Addicting gameplay and plot. Even when you finish the games completely, you still can't stop playing them
Good amount of humor
Platforming, and very interesting level designs and music
Weaknesses:
Repetitive gameplay
Repetitive storylines
Ripto makes too many returns
Bosses weren't very challenging, same with levels
That covers Insomniac's games.
The Legend of Spyro:
Strengths:
Amazing graphics
Incredible characters
Interesting gameplay
Great voice actors
Kept pulling you in, where you kept playing until you beat it
Weaknesses:
Lack of platforming and minigames
Extremities in difficulty (ANB was too easy, TEN was rather difficult)
Repetitive gameplay
Games have too few levels, making total gametime too short
And there you have it, the strengths and weaknesses of both series in a nutshell.
The point is, Insomniac's series and TLoS both have their strengths and weaknesses. They'll both have avid supporters and whatnot.
Anyway you slice it, I like both series the same.

That pretty much just sums up what i think about the games with their strengths and weaknesses. Though i dont agree with how you say that the insominac games had repetitive gameplay. I think that although the gameplay wasnt exactly varied that much in the origanals it still had something about it that made it fun and unrepetitive the whole way through. With TLOS however, i think that the gameplay of that only got repetitive sometimes but mostly it was pretty fun and not repetitive.

ratchet · Jun 05, 2008 2:39 PM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

*sighs* Well than Doppelgangergang, if you're the official TLoS Basher Basher, then I guess that makes me the mediator:
Both the Insomniac Series and TLoS have their strengths and weaknesses.
Insomniac:
Strengths:
Unbelievable characters
Fun minigames
Addicting gameplay and plot. Even when you finish the games completely, you still can't stop playing them
Good amount of humor
Platforming, and very interesting level designs and music
Weaknesses:
Repetitive gameplay
Repetitive storylines
Ripto makes too many returns
Bosses werent very challenging, same with levels
That covers Insomniac's games.
The Legend of Spyro:
Strengths:
Amazing graphics
Incredible characters
Interesting gameplay
Great voice actors
Kept pulling you in, where you kept playing until you beat it
Weaknesses:
Lack of platforming and minigames
Extremities in difficulty (ANB was too easy, TEN was rather difficult)
Repetitive gameplay
Games have too few levels, making total gametime too short
And there you have it, the strengths and weaknesses of both series in a nutshell.
The point is, Insomniac's series and TLoS both have their strengths and weaknesses. They'll both have avid supporters and whatnot.
Anyway you slice it, I like both series the same.

wait, wait, wait. Just a few things i'd like to point out here smile .

Insomniac Weeknesses:
Repetitive gameplay-Eh, maybe, But i dont think too many people minded the original's gameplay because it was usually pretty fun, and if you call all different minigames and such repetative, than i'm all in for repetative! I mean TLOS's gameplay is alot more repetative than Insomniac's (Especially ANB) but its still "pretty fun", well to some people anyway.

Repetitive storylines-I wouldn't really call it repetative, ofcource it usually involves collecting but hey, thats platforming for you. But really, both 1, 2, and 3's storylines were totally different, and are pretty well developed if you ask me (Spyro 1, not so much). Dont forget that for each minigame there was a different story and every level too.

Ripto makes too many returns-Huh? Your talking about Insomniac right? They made only 1, 2, 3. Ripto was only a villian in 2! Too many returns?

Bosses werent very challenging, same with levels-See! Heres where your missing the point! Ok, i can agree with you on that with Spyro 1, Spyro 1 did have alot of weeknesses, but Spyro 1 stays in my heart as the first video game i ever played, and i dont mind playing it, It just had a great feeling when you play it like "wow". But Spyro 2 or 3, i cant agree with you with the bosses, kinda not the levels either. Ok, you've probably mastered the bosses in spyro 2/3, but i invite my friends over to play spyro and they just CANT beat the bosses, they find them very hard! just as much as i find the TLOs bosses when i first play them. Plus, Bosses like Spike in Spyro 3 are MURDER! Spike is annoyingly hard! Now for levels, spyro wasn't really the kind of game where it mattered if you completed the level or not, it mattered what you did inside the levels. Some of the Minigames were pretty hard, and finding things too.... theres more to a game than being hard.

TLOS Strengths
Amazing graphics-Ok, there were games that had better graphics (AHT's graphics weren't much worse than TLOS, ETD i found better) but i'd give this to you. But you must oviously have to understand that the originals were made YEARS before TLOS.

Incredible characters-I guess that really just personal preferance, i dont find the characters too interesting, some people really dont find original's interesting either...

Interesting gameplay-Hmmmmm, Interesting alright wink . Nothing more to say because i think you all know how i feel about the gameplay.
Great voice actors-eh, no better than Tom Kenny or Greg Berger or whatever.

Kept pulling you in, where you kept playing until you beat it-Personal preference, wasn't really like that for me.

Oh, and you forgott amazing Story!

Depaul: I agree, People like Doppel, on these topics always make posts saying things like "Stop Bashing", only because they cant be bothered Discussing and dont like how i and others have an opinion.And also, the people who say things like "Stop flaming each other" should really learn to see that this is a forum that has two sides. May i point out that usually those people are on the TLOS side.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 05, 2008 10:08 PM

ratchet wrote:

Repetitive storylines

Repetitive storylines SUCK MORE than repetitive gameplay.

EDIT: He says that the insomniac has repetitive story line. Collect gems, beat boss, rescue dragons (spyro 1 and 3) or fairies (SOI) or avalar (spyro 2).... Repeat.

TheManiacOnWheels · Jun 06, 2008 12:15 AM

Games can be pretty dull if they have good gameplay but no storyline...or next to no storyline. The Originals proved that you can have little to no story and still have a great game. But T.L.o.S has a great story and preferable (to me) gameplay...so I like it more. How many times have I said that?

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 06, 2008 12:59 AM

ratchet, I understand your points, but the fact is, I wasn't only talking about Insomniac. Even though I said Insomniac series, I meant their games, and the ones that stem from them. EtD, Spyro Fusion, and other games all had Ripto return.

As for the repetitive storylines, kinda is true.

Spyro the Dragon: Save all the dragons, collect all the treasure, collect all the eggs

Ripto's Rage/Gateway to Glimmer: Save the people of Avalar, collect all the orbs, collect all the talismans, collect all the treasure

Year of the Dragon: Save the dragons (in the eggs), collect the treasure, and... well, collect whatever else was in the game, XD. (Like I said, rather repetitive)

TLoS: ANB - Save the Guardians, defeat Cynder

TLoS: TEN - Find Cynder, escape the pirates, find the Chronicler, defeat Gaul

TLoS: DotD - Defeat the DM (only thing we know of it so far, subtle differences, but they exist)

Doppelgangergang · Jun 06, 2008 1:02 AM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

As for the repetitive storylines, kinda is true.

Yes it is true.

Save, collect, beat up boss, repeat.

That sucks. I only liked the originals for the laugh factor. And don't say I never play the originals! I still play them on my PSP.

TheManiacOnWheels · Jun 06, 2008 2:45 AM

I can't play em'. It sucks...

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