Is Spyro still Spyro no matter what he looks like or what the gameplay is like?

Doppelgangergang · May 11, 2008 1:23 PM

I got to control this.

(PM Sent)

Ayumi_the_Dark_Wolf · May 11, 2008 1:24 PM

dude....i....dont know what to say..... (v,=,v)

Antr the Rolf · May 11, 2008 1:33 PM

Doppel...what DID you PM dude?

Doppelgangergang · May 11, 2008 1:34 PM

You should get it now... :s

Dark Fury Dragon · May 11, 2008 5:48 PM

ratchet wrote:

But I consider Spyro a purple dragon with four feet who breathes fire and has a yellow dragonfly named Sparx following him. As long as it's that, then it's still Spyro for me.
Some People like me, look deeper than Just A Name, rights and similarities. Some people, like me, believe that Since Spyro's Look, personality, voice, surrounding characters, style of gameplay, general gameplay, level design, music design, powers, story style, voice style, humour, surroundings, atmosphere, length of game, goals, timeline made Spyro A Whole new dragon in ANB, which he is supposed to be, and THAT is what we dont like. The Fact that Sierra had the nerve to replace my Spyro that i grew up with with an imposter.
I Am not as angry about it as i were, but thats not the point. Saing that he is Still the same Spyro and that we should live with him is WRONG because he has changed.
Well thats my rant, and dont start on "Your a TLOS basher, Ratchet" because i dont care, this is my opinion, and that is yours.

Well actually...I don't give a f*** about if Spyro's all different personality, different voice, different adventures WHATEVER, I live on with change and he is still Spyro for me. If you can't accept how he is, then's that fine. But I'm worried that you can't live on with the change that Spyro's gone through.
Besides, Insomanic didn't want Spyro anymore. So if they kept on making Spyro games, they probably would have made it just "as bad as the new ones." Because they wouldn't have put in as much effort as they used in the previous games. They were tired of making Spyro.

minredd · May 11, 2008 5:59 PM

Well apparently I'm weird.

Lets see. What IS Spyro? A purple dragon who runs around saving the world? Hmm. Doesn't sound like he's changed in general. So there's some new characters and some new moves. So what? Look at Mario, and how much he's changed. But he's still Mario.

Spyro is Spyro and always will be.

Dark Fury Dragon · May 11, 2008 6:01 PM

That's almost like what I said minredd smile Couldn't have said more clear. *hug*

RaidonMakoto · May 11, 2008 6:03 PM

Nope, LoS Spyro isn't Spyro to me. He isn't the Spyro I grew up with on the PS1. Tom Kenny will always be Spyro. Stewart Copeland will always sound like Spyro. Year of the Dragon will still always be the best PS1 and (second) best game ever.

This impostor makes me cry.

Dark Fury Dragon · May 11, 2008 6:10 PM

This Spyro isn't an imposter. It's called, "a different style". He just looks, sounds and acts different that's all. A purple dragon who saves the world? Yes it's a Spyro (just like what minredd said)
A red dragon who carries a gun around shooting people and causing destruction? No, not a Spyro.
How can we not think that Spyro is not Spyro anymore? He's just being carried on by another's person's style and point of view. You guys are just comparing the old ones to the newer ones to much. What if there was no "older" games? Then the new Spyro would be like the "older" games and then when it goes down to another company, then you guys would complain that Spyro is not Spyro with THAT new Spyro.

Sheep · May 11, 2008 8:22 PM

Dark Fury Dragon wrote:

... What if there was no "older" games? Then the new Spyro would be like the "older" games and then when it goes down to another company, then you guys would complain that Spyro is not Spyro with THAT new Spyro.

If the new Spyro was the "old" Spyro, I don't think I would have been interested in and playing Spyro. If that was the case, I would not complain if Spyro was moved to another company. It was the Insomniac Spyro i fell for. It was the style of gameplay, level design, Stewart Copeland's music and all the other things Ratchet mentioned that made me love Spyro. I don't like games based on violence and fighting. How I feel it is that the Spyro I love is replaced with something I don't like. :-|
That's how I see it.

RaidonMakoto · May 11, 2008 9:51 PM

Dark Fury Dragon wrote:

This Spyro isn't an imposter. It's called, "a different style". He just looks, sounds and acts different that's all. A purple dragon who saves the world? Yes it's a Spyro (just like what minredd said)
A red dragon who carries a gun around shooting people and causing destruction? No, not a Spyro.
How can we not think that Spyro is not Spyro anymore? He's just being carried on by another's person's style and point of view. You guys are just comparing the old ones to the newer ones to much. What if there was no "older" games? Then the new Spyro would be like the "older" games and then when it goes down to another company, then you guys would complain that Spyro is not Spyro with THAT new Spyro.

And that is the prime reason why I don't read Spin-Off comics (Like Star Wars: Infinities and DC Elseworlds), different style, don't like it.

If there was no Insomniac trilogy? I wouldn't be here arguing with you about Spyro in that case (more than likely, I'd be arguing with someone else about 'wai krash dusnt ned tattoos!1111oneone lol' or 'mario inz sapce? lolololol.'

Doppelgangergang · May 11, 2008 9:57 PM

Comparing old spyro to new spyro is like comparing a tomato to an airplane, as I said earlier.

Pointless comparison because it is intended to be a reboot.

Ayumi_the_Dark_Wolf · May 11, 2008 9:58 PM

why fight over this?......it is a reboot for crying out loud!...

Doppelgangergang · May 11, 2008 10:00 PM

ScorchtheDragon134 wrote:

why fight over this?......it is a reboot for crying out loud!...

CORRECT!

The originals are so-OVER! GET USED TO IT!

Kat · May 11, 2008 10:09 PM

Guys, guys, be sensible! It's just a videogame, not a way of life. big_smile
I'll still always prefer the originals to everything else (unless Dawn of the Dragon is the golden star I expect it to be), but anyway, the terms 'new' Spyro and 'old' Spyro give me the impression that there are indeed two different Spyros for everyone. Personally, yes, I separate the current Spyro from the first one. *Shrug* That's just me.
And it doesn't exactly matter who thinks what and why because nobody's going to convince anyone else and for the love of all things purple that breathe fire it IS just a videogame character, albeit a much loved one. Let's not tear each other apart over it. <3

depaul · May 12, 2008 1:38 AM

Kat's right; pages 2-4 of this thread are just a long flame war. And this really doesn't have anything to do with us accepting the new Spyro or not. I don't deny that they're publishing games using the Spyro license, they've just changed alot. Someone said that Mario has changed alot over the years, but it's still Mario. This is true, but change can sometimes be positive and sometimes not, and there are different degrees of change. For instance, Mario is still a platforming title (not talking about the spinoff games). They've added some features over the years, like the water pack or the ability to fly through space, but at its heart, Mario is still a platforming title with a lighthearted atmosphere. The changes to Spyro have switched it from a platformer with basic combat and puzzle elements to a combat-centered game. Not to mention changes in level design, and the overall artistic direction, which, in my opinion, lacks the creativity of the older titles.

Doppel said that it's like comparing a tomato to an airplane. That's exactly what we're saying. They're two different kinds of games, the old and the new. Tomatoes and airplanes. We just like the tomatoes better, and are dissappointed that they turned Spyro into airplanes. It's not that I have anything against airplanes, particularly. In fact, I like airplanes. It's just that for this airplane to exist, there can no longer be tomatoes. And I think that analogy really adresses the issue of this topic, whether or not Spyro is still Spyro no matter what form he's in. And like Doppel said, they're really two totally different things so its hard to compare. Case in point, below the surface, Spyro is no longer a tomato: he's an airplane.

If that makes any sense at all, I just want people to understand that people who like the original games aren't trying to bash everybody else or say that you're weird for liking the new games. It's just that the old games have been replaced. Maybe you guys don't see it, but there is really a significant difference between the first 3 and the LoS. That's all. It's different, not bad, necessarily, but not as good (in our eyes) as the originals.

RaidonMakoto · May 12, 2008 1:40 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

ScorchtheDragon134 wrote:
why fight over this?......it is a reboot for crying out loud!...
CORRECT!
The originals are so-OVER! GET USED TO IT!

And this kind of arrogance aggravates me. They are not over; Vivendi has said that once the LoS Trilogy is over, they're going back to the original Spyro, so no, they're not over.

depaul · May 12, 2008 1:53 AM

I think I had an epiphany.

http://www.spyroforum.com/post-118018.html#118018

This might be a way of reconciling the two fan groups.

Doppelgangergang · May 12, 2008 2:09 AM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

they're going back to the original Spyro, so no, they're not over.

State your sources. RELIABLE Sources.

depaul · May 12, 2008 2:12 AM

You're owl makes me chuckle inside.

But seirously, read the link, it will enlighten us all and end this fighting.

Doppelgangergang · May 12, 2008 2:15 AM

depaul wrote:

So enjoy tLoS, and don't let the fact that some people won't ruin it for you.

Yes. Screw them bashers. And, without reliable sources, I'm saying 0% for the originals.

depaul · May 12, 2008 2:17 AM

Again, your owls have brought light to my day.

I just think it's stupid that we're fighting over this. I'm by no means innocent, but I think if everyone realizes that we all get something different from Spyro, then we can coexist in these forums peacefully, fans of the old and new. At the very least, we can at least intelligently discuss our ideas without bickering. Disagreeing is okay, just as long as we don't try and tear each others faces off.

Doppelgangergang · May 12, 2008 2:26 AM

Seriously, I think the originals will NOT come back.

It may be a "third" Spyro.

Yay for changes!

depaul · May 12, 2008 2:27 AM

Yeah, the old ones are done. There's another topic for this though.

Doppelgangergang · May 12, 2008 2:29 AM

depaul wrote:

Yeah, the old ones are done. There's another topic for this though.

I don't really think that this original spyro is coming back. Not really.

(I'm out of owls.)

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