Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

Sammy The Dragon · Jun 03, 2008 3:49 PM

I think the LoS producers should incorperate Spyro into other games like they did with Crash! (ps1).

RaidonMakoto · Jun 03, 2008 4:26 PM

Its not the end of Spyro, just the end of LoS. They're going back to the real Spyro after DotD.

Aicebo · Jun 03, 2008 4:50 PM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

Its not the end of Spyro, just the end of LoS. They're going back to the real Spyro after DotD.

=DDDD ZOMGZ REALLY!?!

Gwenio · Jun 03, 2008 6:05 PM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

Its not the end of Spyro, just the end of LoS. They're going back to the real Spyro after DotD.

All though here is what Michael Graham has to say:

Michael Graham wrote:

There COULD absolutely be more after DotD. Our entire reasoning for re-imaging Spyro a few years ago was to create a fantasy world that had a sense of history to it - something more believable but in fantasy terms of course. We have a lot of ideas for what we would like to see next, but rarely get to plan that far in advance.
Personally, I like the direction we are on and would just like to build upon it by making even bigger worlds with more freedom to explore and customize your characters.

Link: http://forums.vgames.com/thread.jspa?th … 3&tstart=0

Dragonstar · Jun 03, 2008 7:35 PM

What is loS?
I dont think they will end the Spyro seris.

A Guy · Jun 03, 2008 8:55 PM

RaidonMakoto wrote:

Its not the end of Spyro, just the end of LoS. They're going back to the real Spyro after DotD.

In other words, they're going to continue the series? Wonderful :*bleep*in:

Rurikredwolf · Jun 03, 2008 9:03 PM

I'd like for them to continue it becuase I kinda like the characters and storyline.

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jun 04, 2008 12:06 AM

Mm, I like the sound of bigger worlds and more freedom. I'm really curious about what's to come after TLoS now.

RaidonMakoto · Jun 04, 2008 12:51 AM

Dragonstar wrote:

What is loS?
I dont think they will end the Spyro seris.

LoS = The Legend of Spyro. That encompasses ANB, TEN, and DOTD. They're going back to the previous Spyro once the LoS Spyro is done in DOTD.

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 04, 2008 1:00 AM

What makes you so sure they're going back to Insomniac's Spyro RaidonMakoto? For all we know, the characters from TLoS could be added into future games, Ignitus, Cynder, Volteer, Cyril and Terrador.

Doppelgangergang · Jun 04, 2008 1:34 AM

Gwenio wrote:

Michael Graham wrote:
There COULD absolutely be more after DotD. Our entire reasoning for re-imaging Spyro a few years ago was to create a fantasy world that had a sense of history to it - something more believable but in fantasy terms of course. We have a lot of ideas for what we would like to see next, but rarely get to plan that far in advance.
Personally, I like the direction we are on and would just like to build upon it by making even bigger worlds with more freedom to explore and customize your characters.
Link: Link

Meaning he likes the TLoS direction and he is going to build more games from the LoS Series. Yahoo! Bigger, better! Best! Simply WOW! Just keep on going, keep on going... big_smile

I believe that once a reboot has been done, everything in the past is null and void. No turning back.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 04, 2008 2:34 AM

Gwenio wrote:

Michael Graham wrote:
There COULD absolutely be more after DotD. Our entire reasoning for re-imaging Spyro a few years ago was to create a fantasy world that had a sense of history to it - something more believable but in fantasy terms of course. We have a lot of ideas for what we would like to see next, but rarely get to plan that far in advance.
Personally, I like the direction we are on and would just like to build upon it by making even bigger worlds with more freedom to explore and customize your characters.

sounds to me like theyre making a step in the right direction, the direction the older spyros took where you arent so limited in what you can do (see bold)

Doppelgangergang · Jun 04, 2008 2:39 AM

Fletch_Talon wrote:

sounds to me like theyre making a step in the right direction, the direction the older spyros took where you arent so limited in what you can do (see bold)

And if goes what I think it would go, It will have the extreme gameplay and goodness of LoS, the characters of LoS and the environments of LoS but extremely much much more more bigger!

The references to Insomniac Spyro will be the expansive worlds.

And the plot! YEESSS!!!

The good way is forward. That way. We can't reverse and go back to the past.

Spyrorocks · Jun 04, 2008 4:12 AM

Id love to see a less linear spyro game.

Fletch_Talon · Jun 04, 2008 4:49 AM

Doppelgangergang wrote:

The good way is forward. That way. We can't reverse and go back to the past.

besides it being impossible to go back to the past anyway, thats not what was implied, what has been said is that a favoured future for spyro would be one in which the designers look back at what made spyro successful in the first place

i myself would love to see the day spyro becomes "fun" again rather than an interactive soap opera

i dont mean fun as in enjoyment (since that depends on the person), im talking about fun as in humour quirkiness, originality, of which from what ive seen TLoS has little or none, it certainly doesnt compare to the original games in this field

also, everyone who claims TLoS is better because it has a plot is a moron, why? because it implies that the originals didnt have a plot.

TLoS - plot is evident throughout the game and it forces the player in a linear direction
Spyro - plot exists, it just doesnt force the player to follow a specific path

it exists in the overall storyline

it exists in each level where you have to rescue the inhabitants from whatever enemies have taken over

it exists in side quests, a prime example being the romeo/juliet quests in GTG/RR (i think the level was zephyr)

there isnt as much character development, id say none in spyro, a little bit in GtG/RR and a bit more in YotD (as seen with hunter and biancas relationship) but character interaction within the game was great, not only do all the in game characters have something quirky to say but enemies also react to each other, with lizards chasing gemcutters or whatever theyre called, bad guys in peacekeepers world shooting cannons at things and running into their tents and mooning you

the way i see it, the best solution to all this debate is a spyro game which has the free roaming, world--->level based, puzzle gameplay, you can keep the new spyro's combat if you must, im not a huge fan of the change but it could still work in a platformer/puzzle solving genre, expand on the plot to give modern spyro lovers the story they crave, i dont think any games after TLoS should keep all TLoS characters as main characters, theyre getting older now and spyro has always been always about a young dragon prevailing where the older ones failed

thats not to say get rid of the new characters, as the quote says, they wanted to create a world with history, TLoS is that history, as ive said before, original spyro could easily be a descendant of spyro x cynder

however, in saying that the plot should be more in depth, i dont mean DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA, the most prominent feature of early spyro was humour, colour, fun, too many games nowadays seem to feel they have to be all dark and moody, i think theres enough of that in the world, games should be an escape, we dont need to go from worrying about the fate of our world to worrying about the fate of another

ratchet · Jun 04, 2008 6:04 AM

You hit the nail right on the Head Fletch, i've been saying things like that for months now, shame nobody ever listens.

Reading that Jopic on the Sierra Forums was a real interesting thing and just a few things i have to say....

1.I agree With Spyro on that topic (you know, "leader" of Spyroworld), reading that was like my opinion without my dyslexia, if you know what i mean. I agree, it was half of Sierra's fault that Spyro was ruined and that the Reboot had to happen (if it really HAD to happen).

2.I think When Krome and Sierra made TLOS, they were trying to create a world like narnia, where the story was dark, and it was set in like the middle ages, and you played as a dragon defeating evil blah blah blah.

a Dragon RPG! The thing is, although Spyro was like the only game where you played as a dragon (and i know a few people here bought the originals only because you could play as a dragon), it wasn't trying to be one of "Those" games.

Besides, neither ANB or TEN are games which i call a Dragon RPG because they are soooooo linear. This is why they had remove things like UFOs and Skateboarding, unserious things, which what was Spyro was.

3.i'd say that over 95% of TLOS fans like it mainly because of its story and characters, now i'm not sayingthis is bad, but you GOTTO believe me that it is a fact!

Now i'm not saying thatthey dont like the gameplay, but i'm SURE if the story wasn't there, TLOS wouldn't have 1% of the fandom it had today. I'd say it is because that it is the only game where you get to play as anadventurous dragon while having an awesome story with it, am i right.

It would be great to see old Spyro with a great story like TLOS.
4.Spyro's Post made me wake up to the big point, the Reboot wasn't needed. It would have been great if the Story was that Spyro (Ins) was the decendants or spriritually related to SpyroXCynder, i would have been happy to know that the origginal games weren't forgotton.

If TLOS was a 3 year spinoff series and then it would get back to the originals, i would be happy! The TLOS series has just seemed like a big waist of time to me, but let me get to that in my next point.

5.I am quite happy that TLOS has brought in new peoples, and quite a few, and i'm quite happy that it has brought alot more fans and boosted the series. I also admit that a change was needed for old spyro, not forever, just for a few games.

It would have been great to see no ETD, instead AHT would of been gradually made into perfection while the GBA games came out to seetle the hungry Spyro plaformers while Spinoff games appeared on the consoles such as Spyro racing, a Spyro party game etc.

Then when AHT would have been released, it would have been a great platformer and spyro will continue to florish after that. Its sad that Spyro did not turn out that way.

When i do say a change though, i dont meen a reboot, and maybe if ETD wasn't made or Orange or SSL, Soyro would have had enough fans already to thrive. Its a shame that Spyro isn't mario.

6.It Would nice to see Original Spyro timeline back after DOTD, and if TLOS the movie goes well (which I dont think it will), TLOS will continue in movie form, i'd still like it connected the old series too. Theres still more to be done With Original Spyro, but developers didn't realise that.

A perfect Spyro game would have everything from the originals in it, Maybe some Combat, Co-op, Unlimited flying after beating 100%, Stunning graphics, a great story, maybe some new powers, long, long play time, a difficulty setting mode, etc.

But Spyro was never Supposed to be what he was in TLOS, the developers admitted that they Changed very much, Spyro's atmosphere has gone, everything that was Spyro. Some people should really stop looking on the Outside, and look on the inside.
EDIT: I fixed it!

Gwenio · Jun 04, 2008 6:20 PM

They never said they are going back to the originals. All indications are that they will make more that expand on what was done with LoS.

Michael Graham
wrote:

That said, I guess you could look at it this way, 4 years ago Spyro was being considered for retirement, whereas now it is thriving, a movie is being made, etc.

That statement points to continuing in the direction they are now and making more games as you do not stop a series while is is thriving.

Spyro_Loves_Me · Jun 04, 2008 8:25 PM

Yeah. I think it's just the sound of more open worlds and freedom makes it seem like it's heading in the direction of the originals.

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 04, 2008 8:53 PM

ratchet, next time you post something like you just did, please put a good deal of space between everything (hit 'Enter' twice). My eyes always hurt whenever I try to read a wall of text...

Spyro · Jun 04, 2008 9:48 PM

For anyone not knowing what ratchet is talking about, he was commentating on my post at Sierra Spyro forum which I'll now copy below:

>>>

I'll just throw my two cents in here. I'm not the biggest fan of ANB or TEN. I think at times they're too morbid and dark and the fighting turns me off. I like the music and characters but feel there is actually a paucity of characters - I'd like to see the world of dragons be a little more populated. I've been extremely and overtly harsh on the two TLoS installments so far. Any stroll around the board would make that clear. I am ready to open up to DotD with the past wiped clean and a fresh pair of eyes. It looks like more of the same but also different . Something looks changed. It's certainly brighter for one, and it sounds like you're putting a much needed added emphasis on exploring. It'll never be like the platformer days of old, but exploring is, and always will be, the heart of Spyro. I felt the last two games were too linear. It looks as if you're rectifying that now. I'm really excited. However, I say this not out of bitterness but mere erm...bemusement. Well, I just wonder if Sierra can attest that the decline seems to be their fault. A great deal their fault.

Check Six Studios/Equinoxe was an elusive, mysterious company. To this day no one knows much of anything about them and they have disappeared from any internet search. Why were they chosen to do EtD? Was there not someone more qualified to take over the still-hot and popular Spyro franchise? Not only that, but Check Six was rushed and turned out a game half as large as promised and so full of bugs it was panned universally. Was that not Vivendi/Sierra's/Universal's fault?

Spyro's first mobile phone game had him dressing fairies for a ball. Perverted, much?

The GBA trilogy under Digital Eclipse were a redemption (revelation, even) but instead of allowing them a fourth entry in their successful take on Spyro, Sierra opted for Vicarious Vision's party-style Spyro game Cortex Conspiracy , which was not very well received and was another nail in Spyro's side. It was bland and repetitive.

AHT was cartoony and bubble gum sweet. Sure, it was a platformer but it so drastically changed the characters and style it was like a kid's game on sugar rush. It was fun, yes, but at the expense of the Spyro franchise's pride.

Finally, we got SL. SL wasn't bad - it evolved the Spyro series into a more serious tone and was quite compelling story-wise. However, it too was buggy and so slow-paced due to that only determined, devoted Spyro fans could push through it to the end. Others gave up hopelessly.

Sierra may have noted that Spyro was going downhill but not that it was their faults, (at least it seems their faults). They seemed to ignore and deny the fact that they were the hands that were strangling our beloved dragon to death. I may be way, way off-base here and don't want to slander anyone but Sierra seemed to toss Spyro around like a rag doll time and time again, only producing titles that moved farther and farther away from the 'true Spyro'.

I'm not saying Insomniac should have stayed on. Frankly, their smug attitude about their immunity to making bad games is insufferable and their remarks regarding Spyro are low blows. They may have been hurting to lose their child and wanted to retain their integrity so they laughed it off but what they said was wrong and they didn't need Spyro back. I do believe, though, there could have been some better choices along the way for developers. I know top-dog developers would never handle an IP like Spyro. We wouldn't expect to look on the back of a Spyro game box and see a Nintendo Spyro, RockStar Spyro, or Bungie Spyro and we don't need to - they aren't right for him. However, someone out there would have, I'm sure of it, and instead of the okay to mediocre to bad games we got we could have avoided the vacillating by hiring a good developer who would have made a good Spyro platformer. Sierra shouldn't have rushed the developers as they did and been so fickle about developers.Maybe they should have installed stricter quality control. Instead of the choices that could have saved him, Spyro went from foster home to foster home.

So when they wanted you to redeem him that was great and all but did they ever consider that his redemption could have come from a more qualified developer with a little more time flexibility? Spyro didn't need the reboot, he needed Sierra's care. I know the game business is dog eat dog and out-for-all-you-can-get. Spyro's lucrative qualities were more alluring than his game quality so who's to blame for his success decline? The platformers could still be here today. Sonic survived. Mario survived. Banjo survived. Spyro once stood among them as a platforming mascot great. With Sierra's help he could have stayed there but it seems, as always, money was more important so he was moved around again and gain and rushed each time for holiday releases, leaving him a rotting corpse.

It hurt us fans. So, so many left Spyro after EtD. If it wasn't Insomniac at the helm, they said, than they weren't sticking around. His audience grew thin. I was loyal. Every new game I was excited and every time I saw Sierra strike again. I never gave up hope they'd take him to a developer who was given the proper time and resources to do it right. Several came close but never hit spot on. I'll repeat - I don't mean an Insomniac-style Spyro. I merely mean that certain, indescribable essence of Spyro. A charm, a nostalgia, a euphoria - it's hard to put one's finger on. It never returned.

Spyro didn't die because people got tired of his character or style. Spyro didn't die because the platformer genre was 'outdated'. Spyro died because of wavering quality that was so shaky few felt safe staying aboard the ship.

Spyro could have remained his old self if he had the proper guidance. Instead, he swerved here and there having hits and misses and all the while polarizing his fan base.

Again, this isn't aimed at you - DotD has got me super hyped and I can't wait for it, but this just irks me and I felt it needed to be said. Your explanation of why they called you in made me think to say it. Sierra seems, in my eyes, to be the ones who murdered the old Spyro singlehandedly but of course, they'd never admit it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

<<<

Doppelgangergang · Jun 04, 2008 11:15 PM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

ratchet, next time you post something like you just did, please put a good deal of space between everything (hit 'Enter' twice). My eyes always hurt whenever I try to read a wall of text...

Unless you fix it, I won't read it.

Anyway, LoS is continuing. I read somewhere (can't remember, I'm badly sick today) that the producer likes the position he is in, and will go forward to more LoS adventures. big_smile

I liked his direction. His leadership wins!!

A Guy · Jun 04, 2008 11:30 PM

ratchet wrote:

You hit the nail right on the Head Fletch, i've been saying things like that for months now, shame nobody ever listens. Reading that Jopic on the Sierra Forums was a real interesting thing and just a few things i have to say....
1.I agree With Spyro on that topic (you know, "leader" of Spyroworld), reading that was like my opinion without my dyslexia, if you know what i mean. I agree, it was half of Sierra's fault that Spyro was ruined and that the Reboot had to happen (if it really HAD to happen).
2.I think When Krome and Sierra made TLOS, they were trying to create a world like narnia, where the story was dark, and it was set in like the middle ages, and you played as a dragon defeating evil blah blah blah. a Dragon RPG! The thing is, although Spyro was like the only game where you played as a dragon (and i know a few people here bought the originals only because you could play as a dragon), it wasn't trying to be one of "Those" games. Besides, neither ANB or TEN are games which i call a Dragon RPG because they are soooooo linear. This is why they had remove things like UFOs and Skateboarding, unserious things, which what was Spyro was.
3.i'd say that over 95% of TLOS fans like it mainly because of its story and characters, now i'm not sayingthis is bad, but you GOTTO believe me that it is a fact! Now i'm not saying thatthey dont like the gameplay, but i'm SURE if the story wasn't there, TLOS wouldn't have 1% of the fandom it had today. I'd say it is because that it is the only game where you get to play as anadventurous dragon while having an awesome story with it, am i right. It would be great to see old Spyro with a great story like TLOS.
4.Spyro's Post made me wake up to the big point, the Reboot wasn't needed. It would have been great if the Story was that Spyro (Ins) was the decendants or spriritually related to SpyroXCynder, i would have been happy to know that the origginal games weren't forgotton. If TLOS was a 3 year spinoff series and then it would get back to the originals, i would be happy! The TLOS series has just seemed like a big waist of time to me, but let me get to that in my next point.
5.I am quite happy that TLOS has brought in new peoples, and quite a few, and i'm quite happy that it has brought alot more fans and boosted the series. I also admit that a change was needed for old spyro, not forever, just for a few games. It would have been great to see no ETD, instead AHT would of been gradually made into perfection while the GBA games came out to seetle the hungry Spyro plaformers while Spinoff games appeared on the consoles such as Spyro racing, a Spyro party game etc. Then when AHT would have been released, it would have been a great platformer and spyro will continue to florish after that. Its sad that Spyro did not turn out that way. When i do say a change though, i dont meen a reboot, and maybe if ETD wasn't made or Orange or SSL, Soyro would have had enough fans already to thrive. Its a shame that Spyro isn't mario.
6.It Would nice to see Original Spyro timeline back after DOTD, and if TLOS the movie goes well (which I dont think it will), TLOS will continue in movie form, i'd still like it connected the old series too. Theres still more to be done With Original Spyro, but developers didn't realise that.
A perfect Spyro game would have everything from the originals in it, Maybe some Combat, Co-op, Unlimited flying after beating 100%, Stunning graphics, a great story, maybe some new powers, long, long play time, a difficulty setting mode, etc.
But Spyro was never Supposed to be what he was in TLOS, the developers admitted that they Changed very much, Spyro's atmosphere has gone, everything that was Spyro. Some people should really stop looking on the Outside, and look on the inside.

Ahhh! Wall of words! My eyes! They burn!

Spyroflamesredsbum · Jun 05, 2008 12:38 AM

IF THey EVAAAAH THOuGhT OF KEEELLING SPYRroooO
j8&897&I
DSufYgdsg
dsg
*foams at mouth*
I---uii
IIII
will
draw a PICTURE of Spyro dead D:
and it will say "LOOK WHAT YOUVE DONE"
then big_smile
they will feel bad and start doing Spyro again and everyone will worship me and feed me corn in malasis and lick my ankls for eons to come 8D
I GOT THE POWAH *crazy dance*
Hmmgh YUSH 8D
>.> ITD BE OH SO MIGHTY AWESOMEPANTS IF THEY BRANG BACK THE OLDY SPYRO......for a lil while or somethiiiing....cuuuuz i misses his lil fatness and Red c: i miss Laughing at his FAYCE >D

Blaze the Dragon · Jun 05, 2008 1:09 AM

Umm... what!? It's kinda hard to understand you SFRB...

RaidonMakoto · Jun 05, 2008 1:55 AM

Blaze the Dragon wrote:

Umm... what!? It's kinda hard to understand you SFRB...

I'm going to have to agree with you on that one.

#1 Jun 03, 2008 3:49 PM

Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#2 Jun 03, 2008 4:26 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#3 Jun 03, 2008 4:50 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#4 Jun 03, 2008 6:05 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#5 Jun 03, 2008 7:35 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#6 Jun 03, 2008 8:55 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#7 Jun 03, 2008 9:03 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#8 Jun 04, 2008 12:06 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#9 Jun 04, 2008 12:51 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#10 Jun 04, 2008 1:00 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#11 Jun 04, 2008 1:34 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#12 Jun 04, 2008 2:34 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#13 Jun 04, 2008 2:39 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#14 Jun 04, 2008 4:12 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#15 Jun 04, 2008 4:49 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#16 Jun 04, 2008 6:04 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#17 Jun 04, 2008 6:20 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#18 Jun 04, 2008 8:25 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#19 Jun 04, 2008 8:53 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#20 Jun 04, 2008 9:48 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#21 Jun 04, 2008 11:15 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#22 Jun 04, 2008 11:30 PM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#23 Jun 05, 2008 12:38 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#24 Jun 05, 2008 1:09 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

#25 Jun 05, 2008 1:55 AM

Re: Read this if you think that LoS shouldn't be the end of the spyro series.

Board footer