Turning Spyro into something he's not

Gwenio · Jan 19, 2009 9:09 PM

ratchet wrote:

I think Sierra knew How Popular Spyro was from there, and making him look kiddy would mean a whole lot of parents buying it for christmas too. They also advertised more too.
I don't want to get into Sierras motives, or start an argument, but the resembelence is so striking that they had to of taken "inspiration" from it.

Or it proves nothing that was not already known (meaning everything has already been done).

I will note that there are a few key difrences, like the goal in LoS is not to save the dragons, but to save the world.

Gwenio · Jan 19, 2009 9:15 PM

T3h0v4llu wrote:

but button mashing has always been the most effective type of playing

So not true! Knowing what you are doing is better if you can manage it.

Spyro Master · Jan 19, 2009 9:51 PM

if u do do button mashing ur controller will end up in pieces lol

ratchet · Jan 20, 2009 7:31 AM

Gwenio wrote:

T3h0v4llu wrote:
but button mashing has always been the most effective type of playing
So not true! Knowing what you are doing is better if you can manage it.

But Button Mashing Always works for players. Its the guaranteed way to make the player not bored and play for alot longer. Button mashing is fun for almost everyone! For a while anyway...

Or it proves nothing that was not already known (meaning everything has already been done).

Not true, not EVERYTHING has been done before. Heck, LOTS of games are usually new and original, or atleast don't have an inignorable amount of similarities

I will note that there are a few key difrences, like the goal in LoS is not to save the dragons, but to save the world.

Malefor was originally not going to destroy the world, but take over it, but Suerra changed their mind to make the story better. either way, its still a similar story, save the dragons, save the world, defeat the enemy. Ofcource, I'm not going to get into the similarities of the story, because most games have that "save your race, destory the enemy", I was talking about the gameplay.

Jackson117 · Jan 20, 2009 8:15 AM

fbocabral wrote:

when were both released? 2001, right? but when exactly and when did the project started? A game production isnt that simple so they could steal an idea and make another game in such a few time, i guess...

well limbo of lost stole loads of idea's and even stuff from games and movies

~cornys~ · Jan 21, 2009 12:41 AM

IDK never played Dragon Rage only heard of it...

Nothing's original any more hardly (horse movies, Sci-Fi, Fantacy,ect.) you name it it's not original past 2000 prorbably.

God of War was probably like tLoS but this isn't about tLoS so (we're) off subject.

About the idea of making him big... why not? It would happen naturaly anyhow. Right? o'well.

A Game is a game is a game unless it's not and then it's not. If people like it hen I don't know. I guess what Spyro is now is a fighter and those fans want what they want as much as we do. I find myself a fan of 2 Spyros and I want the best for both. Unfourtunatly the fan's ideas of both groups kill him. IDK what to say or do so I say something like this that is the equivilent of nothing.

fbocabral · Jan 21, 2009 3:13 AM

unfortunately, i also think spyro would grow up someday, keeping him a child would probably kill him anyway u.u
but i must say i dont like that idea, i like him the way he is :'(
But a game with an adult spyro dont need to be a bloody and linear game. I know they can do better than that.

StratosP · Jan 24, 2009 1:42 PM

I would actually prefer an adult Spyro game then the crappy LOS. What's wrong with going adult and adding violence?

As long as they only make one or two and don't make a whole series out of it, who cares what they make of it?

Although that old spyro was good for its humor, gameplay and originality.

TornWings · Jan 24, 2009 11:57 PM

^Because it's a complete 180 from the original?

TLOS was different but what you're suggesting is even more so, and seeing as a few people hate TLOS for that, odds are taking it further in that direction will also be met with criticism.

RedDragonX · Jan 25, 2009 1:33 AM

Yay...a very fun topic that seems to have sliped from my notice. Well I don't always agree with Ratchet....I can personally say that this time he is 100% correct in that Spyro shouldn't be transformed from the image that he was given.

The only problem with this now is that it's out of our hands and Sierra is going to create something that they think is going to cater to modern day audiences rather then diehard fans. The whole button mashing violence thing isn't fit for some gamers as most of us know...but many out there prefer it regardless.

Just how society and the market has changed today as opposed to 10 years ago when Spyro was created. Unfortunetly things keep changing and the developers will go where they sniff money. LoS was the breaking point for a good deal of fans....and even I had trouble finnaly accepting it for what it was....but if they are truly considering doing such things then they are going to hit rock bottom pretty fast.

Would I mind seeing an adult Spyro game?...No I wouldn't, it would prolly be very entertaining to a degree just to see how they would pull something like that off....but as a fan of the old series in general I can say that if they do pull such an effort then they are going to be slitting the jugular of one immensly popular image.

As for the rip off of this....Dragon Rage whatever game. I have not played it nor will I ever do so I assume.....but it's impossible to make a game or a movie in today's world and not have a cliche or similarity somehow involved. I don't know what they did during production and nobody does...all we have are our own assumptions....personally I could really care less. But I still agree with the point of this thread.

T3h0v4llu · Jan 28, 2009 8:22 PM

Ratchet wrote:

Malefor was originally not going to destroy the world, but take over it, but Suerra changed their mind to make the story better.

I personally think that the takeover wouldve been better. Destroying the world always leads to stupid plotholes and cliffhangers.... Why didnt malefor destroy the world when cynder and spyro were frozen. Didnt he control the world then? We shall never know...

RedDragonX · Jan 28, 2009 9:39 PM

Well for whatever reason he had to wait until he could resurect the Destroyer....and perhaps that took some kind of special incident or something....but yeah they never really give you a full reason.....just holes and such. But since it was the destiny of a purple dragon to cleanse the world....then that explains why they have to destroy it. The thing I don't get is....they say that they are suppose to bring about the great cleansing and such...and the world would begin anew.....but at the end the world was erupting into pieces...so how did the earth become reborn again and such?....unless it was pieced back together again like Spyro did...but why would bad guys do that.

Saeth · Jan 29, 2009 2:48 AM

RedDragonX wrote:

The thing I don't get is....they say that they are suppose to bring about the great cleansing and such...and the world would begin anew.....but at the end the world was erupting into pieces...so how did the earth become reborn again and such?....unless it was pieced back together again like Spyro did...but why would bad guys do that.

The world may never know. W/e the reason I never really enjoyed the whole, rebirth of the world thing. Lets leave that to the Phoenix, that makes more sense IMO.

In fact that would have made more sense if a Phoenix of some type was in the game and Malefore was just there to try to control it when it was about to rebirth the world in that time of crisis... but that sounds sooo Final Fantasy 7... ugh just so.... ARGH!

Jackson117 · Jan 29, 2009 9:13 AM

Well we wouldn't want this to happen to spyro would we

replace Zilla with spyro

Saeth · Jan 29, 2009 3:47 PM

^

Temporally, or to be more precise, just in one level, I wouldn't mind. Throughout the whole game now that's a problem, a really huge problem.

Trasher258 · Jan 29, 2009 9:00 PM

RedDragonX wrote:

The thing I don't get is....they say that they are suppose to bring about the great cleansing and such...and the world would begin anew.....but at the end the world was erupting into pieces...so how did the earth become reborn again and such?....unless it was pieced back together again like Spyro did...but why would bad guys do that.

Why would someone destroy the world when you will not only kill others but also yourself in the process. Malefor sounds a little more like a madman to me. o_O

The rebirth of the world by destroying it? Well, in the terms of how stars form that would partially make sense...but every living thing on the planet won't be around to see it.

Who thought of this stuff anyway? I do my research and be careful of what I change. At least failure isn't fully in vain...just try to avoid where others failed at.

Dimensional spyro · Jan 29, 2009 9:10 PM

fbocabral wrote:

Someone must tell them theres already a game called "god of war"... so they wouldnt f*** spyro like that...
would he looks like this?

I'll go were ever spyro goes and that spyro pitchure looks coool!!!!!! i will defeintly follow spyro were evere he goes.

RedDragonX · Jan 29, 2009 11:53 PM

Well I'm the kind of gamer that wil also go wherever Spyro goes in general. Even though it may not be in the original spirit of the games...I still enjoy every experience that they might turn out....but that is not what many other gamers want to see...and Sierra already proved the fact that they were willing to cut off certain fans to created something different that would fit their desires when they created LoS.

Saeth · Jan 30, 2009 1:16 AM

RedDragonX wrote:

Sierra already proved the fact that they were willing to cut off certain fans to created something different that would fit their desires when they created LoS.

Hmm, I wonder why though? I get the fact that they want to make Spyro in their own image, or w/e but cutting off the original fans or older fans to do it, seems, pretty radical to me... IDK, I don't get want what Sierra is thinking with Spyro...

Yeesh, reminds me of what Star Fox has gone to... hmm

RedDragonX · Jan 30, 2009 2:14 AM

Well it really is anyone's guess...but when it comes down to it all we have are our own assumptions. Sierra wanted to establish Spyro in a new light...and something that had nothing to do with the old formula. After the relative failures in ETD and AHT....maybe Sierra looked at this and believed the originals wouldn't have done as well as something more new...but then you have SL...which had a brand new system with the older characters still involved....and that didn't do so well either.

In the end we will never really know..but Sierra decided to build something new as opposed to sticking with anything related to the older games....and personally I think that was better...because if Sierra had attempted to do something that revolved around the older games...it would have been another failure all together.

Saeth · Jan 30, 2009 2:26 AM

Yeah, ETD was so bad that I completely forgot about it... *sigh* Simply put I don't think Sierra is made for Spyro, but maybe that's just my fanboyish attitude talking.

I'm not saying I hated the TLOS trilogy, I was just really disappointed in them. They had a very high lack luster feel to them, and I always had this, give it a 110% out look on things like this, or do or die kinda view.

Oh well, DOTD did sell 1.mill so that's something to jump up and down about... but where will it go now? Only Time will tell :-|

RedDragonX · Jan 30, 2009 2:52 AM

Well I don't think Sierra was exactly right to develop Spyro as well...but when I sit back and look at it in whole...it could have been much worse. I didn't think very highly of LoS at first either....but eventually it kinda grew on me.

I like the originals more as well and always will...but I was not disappointed in the end with what Sierra created. They have managed to keep some interest in Spyro alive in a relativly difficult time for such games. I just take each series for what they are...and to me it is certainly much better then having nothing at all.

But yeah...now it's anyone's guess as to where the series will go. Sierra will certainly let us know eventually.

TornWings · Jan 30, 2009 4:02 AM

....Eventually.....

Yeah, just what I want to hear.

RedDragonX · Jan 30, 2009 4:08 AM

Well unless you work for Sierra that's about as good as things will get.

Spyro Master · Jan 30, 2009 5:40 PM

until we find out about the film oh yeh hi redragon im bak!! lol usually when ive left something 4 a bit like a club forum etc it all goes horribly wrong when i come bak like half of it isnt there or something lol good to c this forum is still intact

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