Turning Spyro into something he's not

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:24 AM

i knwo im nt saying hes shouldnt im just saying how did he know i said something about him and he suddenly came on i was just saying it was weird tahts all bt yeh his comments do lead to good discussions some of em pretty lengthly bt do hav good points

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 12:27 AM

I don't know lol....prolly just a coincidence seeing as how it is not morning over in Australia lol...and Satarday morning at that.

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 12:28 AM

I do not think that we will ever get peace between new and old fans. Namely the old Fans, as they are usually the ones who start the arguments (Because TLOS lovers have no reason to be angry). AS I've said on another topic, As Much As I try to think I dislike TLOS, Its probably done more good than bad IMO. The only real problem is the fact it gives Spyro a bad name, IMO anyway. Its hard to explain to my friends, who have played TLOS and think it sucks, that I do not like those games, and I like the older ones, which were much better. They don't listen and Just think I'm an idiopt for liking TLOS. Now it juist doesn't make me angry that My friends think I like a stupid series, but the fact that Spyro has been put to shame and turned from something of legend to a laughing stock, IMO anyway. But Don't jump to conclusions. Because As I've said, TLOS is better than nothing. For one, It gives me things to argue about, and argueing is fun (to me anyway)

But Really, When I say that they should go back to the older Spyro, I Mean It is fine if they go back after 5 more TLOS games, And I'm happy for TLOS to continue, except I would like to see another Original style Spyro game, even if it is made in 2015. And If the Timelines are connected, I would be delighted, as then I Could feel that I could support both Series.

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:32 AM

it would help u a lot if the timelines were connected somehow as it would help u wiv ur timeline and ur rigth it would stop people i tihnk from arguing if they r connected

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 12:36 AM

If I knew they would be another Original Style Spyro game, And that the Imelines were connected, I would not argue for one

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:41 AM

yeh i would just b happy another original like spyro would b made and the timelines thing would help a lot perhaps it coudl loop round ot teh first spyro and fill in all the gaps like TLOS spyro and cynder r the parents of original spyro mabye?? or hav i gone to far here?

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 12:43 AM

Who knows what they will do. I can only go with the knowledge that Sierra doesn't care if they lose fans seeing as how they lost many over the change...and I don't see them connecting the two series in any more relations...but who knows....depends on how long Sierra owns Spyro.

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:46 AM

yeh mabye the longer they own spyro teh more its killing it? bt then again i doubt it spyros ok as TLOS is ok i like it as well as original spyro

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 12:47 AM

RedDragonX wrote:

Who knows what they will do. I can only go with the knowledge that Sierra doesn't care if they lose fans seeing as how they lost many over the change...and I don't see them connecting the two series in any more relations...but who knows....depends on how long Sierra owns Spyro.

Yet another reason why I hate Sierra.
But Yes, If They want People to stop argueing, they will have to do something. Original Fanboys/girls wont just back down like that, and that goes for all the TLOS fans who go "ST0P ARGU3ING!!!!!!1111"

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 12:48 AM

I don't like it as much as the original....but I still enjoy it very very much...seeing as how it's the base of my fanfiction works.

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:49 AM

fair point bt wot if it did happen and they both start arguing about another sierra mess? which i hope wont happen them both arguing the 2 groups i mean

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 12:51 AM

Spyro Master wrote:

fair point bt wot if it did happen and they both start arguing about another sierra mess? which i hope wont happen them both arguing the 2 groups i mean

sorry?

Saeth · Feb 07, 2009 12:53 AM

"Can't we all just get along?" is pretty much what I got from Piano Angel. If it were that easy the world will be dull and boring. Not poking fun, just saying.

I don't know where I fall in this fan biz truthfully. Some might think that I long for the old ones over the new ones, yes that is true, but that doesn't mean I despise the new ones...

I will admit this: After I played ETD I stopped playing Spyro games because I thought they were just going to recycle the same thing that happen before. Yet say its completely different from the old ones. But now that I see this new Trilogy, perhaps, just maybe there is hope.

But wait, you said it yourself that you prefer the old over the new ones.

Yes, and still do. Why? This is why, because the old ones had a better execution then the new ones. What does that mean? It means that someone had an idea / concept, and the team that was able to grasp that concept executed superbly, or executed so well that it went over the expectations of what their publisher or leader had originally thought.

I don't hate, loath, despise, or whatever negative word you can can come up with for this new trilogy. But in turn I don't like either. So what do I like and what do I hate about it? I actually enjoyed the idea of Spyro being this prodigy like dragon. Found it to be specular actually (A little Nickeloden Avatar'ish, but good nonetheless). I enjoyed the Idea that Spyro's main enemy was a Purple dragon bent on destruction. Loved it, it was "en fuego!". There are more ideas / concepts about this trilogy that I loved, but I'm feeling a little listless posting them right now.

But what I don't like, is the fact that the people who grasped this concept executed horribly. Whether that was their fault or Sierra's fault it doesn't matter to me. I can't really give Krome or EL an A for effort because I don't know their work history or ethics. I can't really blame Sierra either, because I don't know how much involvement they had with each Dev team.

So, I can only go with what I got, and that's the games. People are going to argue, fight, bash, you name it over anything and everything. But that doesn't make it all bad. In fact I actually like seeing people find faults and if not dislike certain things about the old and new trilogy. It means to me that whoever has Spyro can't get away with everything. Because someone out there, will catch, it and will make note of it and share it to the whole world(IE post it on the internet).

Who knows, maybe I'm not fan but a critic :?: . Or maybe I just a fan who really wants to see someone execute the ideas of someone's so well that it will blow our minds. I know it won't happen over night, but that doesn't mean I wanting a Spyro game right here and now. I want them to take their time on it, and cycling their ideas and make sure that are hardly any cliches rip offs, you name it in the story and game engine.

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 12:54 AM

If people prefer one thing over another that's just how it is...it's human nature to disagree over personal beliefs....no use in really arguing about it because it's not going to prove anything. It's all out of our hands...so all we can do is speculate about what the next move is going to be.

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 12:55 AM

soz ratchet 2 b honest i dunno wot im saying its 1am in uk and im still up so my brain nt up to much so soz there i was simply saying perhaps if sierra did do an original spyro style game then mabye it would make the arugements worse

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 1:00 AM

Yes, When Humans argue, they do not care what it is going to achieve, they just complain, and hope it will be better. And you know what, people do it ALL the time. On Forums and in every day conversation.
As Much as The TLOS games are around, and the old games not, There WILL be complaints and arguements, and there's nothing you or me can do about it.

Saeth · Feb 07, 2009 1:00 AM

ratchet wrote:

RedDragonX wrote:
Who knows what they will do. I can only go with the knowledge that Sierra doesn't care if they lose fans seeing as how they lost many over the change...and I don't see them connecting the two series in any more relations...but who knows....depends on how long Sierra owns Spyro.
Yet another reason why I hate Sierra.
But Yes, If They want People to stop argueing, they will have to do something. Original Fanboys/girls wont just back down like that, and that goes for all the TLOS fans who go "ST0P ARGU3ING!!!!!!1111"

Apparently Sierra thinks nostalgia is a bad marketing tactic <_<

ratchet · Feb 07, 2009 1:02 AM

perhaps if sierra did do an original spyro style game then mabye it would make the arugements worse

I would see no reason why TLOS fans would get angry, As They would still have their games.

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 1:03 AM

Saeth wrote:

"Can't we all just get along?" is pretty much what I got from Piano Angel. If it were that easy the world will be dull and boring. Not poking fun, just saying.
I don't know where I fall in this fan biz truthfully. Some might think that I long for the old ones over the new ones, yes that is true, but that doesn't mean I despise the new ones...

I will admit this: After I played ETD I stopped playing Spyro games because I thought they were just going to recycle the same thing that happen before. Yet say its completely different from the old ones. But now that I see this new Trilogy, perhaps, just maybe there is hope.

But wait, you said it yourself that you prefer the old over the new ones.
Yes, and still do. Why? This is why, because the old ones had a better execution then the new ones. What does that mean? It means that someone had an idea / concept, and the team that was able to grasp that concept executed superbly, or executed so well that it went over the expectations of what their publisher or leader had originally thought.

I don't hate, loath, despise, or whatever negative word you can can come up with for this new trilogy. But in turn I don't like either. So what do I like and what do I hate about it? I actually enjoyed the idea of Spyro being this prodigy like dragon. Found it to be specular actually (A little Nickeloden Avatar'ish, but good nonetheless). I enjoyed the Idea that Spyro's main enemy was a Purple dragon bent on destruction. Loved it, it was "en fuego!". There are more ideas / concepts about this trilogy that I loved, but I'm feeling a little listless posting them right now.

But what I don't like, is the fact that the people who grasped this concept executed horribly. Whether that was their fault or Sierra's fault it doesn't matter to me. I can't really give Krome or EL an A for effort because I don't know their work history or ethics. I can't really blame Sierra either, because I don't know how much involvement they had with each Dev team.

So, I can only go with what I got, and that's the games. People are going to argue, fight, bash, you name it over anything and everything. But that doesn't make it all bad. In fact I actually like seeing people find faults and if not dislike certain things about the old and new trilogy. It means to me that whoever has Spyro can't get away with everything. Because someone out there, will catch, it and will make note of it and share it to the whole world(IE post it on the internet).

Who knows, maybe I'm not fan but a critic :?: . Or maybe I just a fan who really wants to see someone execute the ideas of someone's so well that it will blow our minds. I know it won't happen over night, but that doesn't mean I wanting a Spyro game right here and now. I want them to take their time on it, and cycling their ideas and make sure that are hardly any cliches rip offs, you name it in the story and game engine.

That's a good outlook to have because yes we don't know just how involved these companies are in the development process. We don't know if they really care about the character or not.

Over the years that I have been in business I have learned that companies will go for wherever the money is waiting...and they will do everything they can to make a good profit out of something....so is Sierra just mooching off the franchise?...Certainly....but that's what every company is in business for.

I have said it before....but having passion behind development is a gift that is not see very often....it's hard to have good developers who truly care for the finished product....but it's harder to come by with games that have as rich a development history that Spyro has with Insomniac...but even they were thinking about the money when they decided to let go of the series and do something new...they didn't want to risk the collapse the character would suffer in the years to come.

I don't take anything away from the developers who tried to make Spyro into something great....at least they did try...and I can't hold anything against them seeing as how I was not in the office creating every single idea alongside them. I don't know just how much effort and passion they put in....and we never will know.

I can only continue to support whichever direction they will go with the character...I may not like it....like I once did...but things never stay the same...that's just part of the way things evolve...and we cant just hold onto things even when we know they are not going to come back.

We are not going to get a long because yes the fanbase is so split now that nobody is going to want to change...but if Sierra did have any intelligence then they would try to find a way that would please both sides of the argument....but that is very very unlikely...I like LoS for what it is...I like the older games for what they were....overall I'm a Spyro fan...so I want the franchise to continue and have more support then ever...and thankfully...as much as LoS is despised by some....it did bring some life back to the character...and that in turn was much better then where he was heading.

Saeth · Feb 07, 2009 1:09 AM

RedDragonX wrote:

That's a good outlook to have because yes we don't know just how involved these companies are in the development process. We don't know if they really care about the character or not.
Over the years that I have been in business I have learned that companies will go for wherever the money is waiting...and they will do everything they can to make a good profit out of something....so is Sierra just mooching off the franchise?...Certainly....but that's what every company is in business for.
I have said it before....but having passion behind development is a gift that is not see very often....it's hard to have good developers who truly care for the finished product....but it's harder to come by with games that have as rich a development history that Spyro has with Insomniac...but even they were thinking about the money when they decided to let go of the series and do something new...they didn't want to risk the collapse the character would suffer in the years to come.
I don't take anything away from the developers who tried to make Spyro into something great....at least they did try...and I can't hold anything against them seeing as how I was not in the office creating every single idea alongside them. I don't know just how much effort and passion they put in....and we never will know.
I can only continue to support whichever direction they will go with the character...I may not like it....like I once did...but things never stay the same...that's just part of the way things evolve...and we cant just hold onto things even when we know they are not going to come back.
We are not going to get a long because yes the fanbase is so split now that nobody is going to want to change...but if Sierra did have any intelligence then they would try to find a way that would please both sides of the argument....but that is very very unlikely...I like LoS for what it is...I like the older games for what they were....overall I'm a Spyro fan...so I want the franchise to continue and have more support then ever...and thankfully...as much as LoS is despised by some....it did bring some life back to the character...and that in turn was much better then where he was heading.

There's nothing in there that I can disagree with. That's all we really can do at this point, and passion for any biz is something of a rarity or if not something only for family biz or grandmas toy shop.

But I think now everyone who comes to this thread knows my position and quite possibly everyone's else as well.

RedDragonX · Feb 07, 2009 1:12 AM

Nothing wrong with that. Presenting your own position is what this about...so feel free to do so. That's what all members do pretty much...but we have greatly cut down on any flame wars.

TornWings · Feb 07, 2009 4:52 AM

ratchet wrote:

perhaps if sierra did do an original spyro style game then mabye it would make the arugements worse
I would see no reason why TLOS fans would get angry, As They would still have their games.

Wait, what do you mean? They'll be unhappy because the style has changed, and the whole style-change thing has been part of the original fans argument against TLOS...

So wouldn't they basically be angry for the same (legitimate) reason that some of the old fans are about TLOS?

Spyro Master · Feb 07, 2009 11:53 AM

yeh mabybe bt we will nvr know until it happens if it does happen that is i prefer both bt siding slightly wiv old spyro as my banner show XD

RedDragonX · Feb 08, 2009 12:04 AM

Well right now I'm really into the characters and story presented...so if they are going to make something new I would prefer to see the new series for right now.

Spyro Master · Feb 08, 2009 12:09 AM

yeh if they made it so we know a bit more history about teh characters that would b good like when spyro and sparx were growing up in TLOS we know srt of wot cynders life was like very dark really so there wouldnt really b a point to go there bt mabye to anyway

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