Why some people not like A New Beginning?

Nightwing · Jun 03, 2007 3:08 AM

This is Nightwing. I am kind of puzzled as to why nobody really likes A New Beginning(if you like it a lot, maybe you want to know too). I really like this game and I am wondering why some people don't like it, because they weren't very clear why.Because of the storyline?Gameplay?Characters? Sorry if you did like it or did specify. I don't mean to offend,
I am just wondering.

ontels · Jun 03, 2007 4:29 AM

I honestly liked it some peopul probaly dont like it because they remember thew good ol days of the first spyro games

Crossfire · Jun 03, 2007 5:49 AM

I honestly liked it some peopul probaly dont like it because they remember thew good ol days of the first Spyro games

I would be one of those people. Having played the first three Spyro games, and giving a few of the latter ones a chance, I myself have this to say:

First off, VU (or SE beginning with ANB) do not have the touch that Insomniac Games does. Their games are passable, but the newer Spyro games just don`t feel like Spyro as we knew him. Now, I`m aware that to fear change is to be closed-minded, but at first I wanted to see what the newer Spyro games were like. However, playing one myself and watching my brother play two others, I`ve seen that VU was content to change the series however much they felt like without considering what some of the original fans might feel like.

And after basically screwing with the series big time (in the Original Trilogy fans` eyes) they decided to scrap the whole series, that Insomniac Games created out of sheer originality, and used Spyro the Dragon, that purple dragon that everyone loves, to serve as the title face of a new series, one which they could have easily started with another hero altogether and placed 10 times as much originality in it.

Now, I understand that newer or younger fans of Spyro might know the more recent games better; some probably know only ANB, and no other Spyro game. Those people, I can understand if they like the series, having been introduced to Spyro through those games. Some may even prefer the newer games over the old ones; that`s their business, not mine.

I wouldn`t expect them to automatically dislike the newer games just because I and several others do. By the same token, people shouldn`t call us OT fans old-fashioned because Spyro today is literally an entirely different dragon than the one on the PlayStation. I respect anyone who likes the new games, but they shouldn`t expect me to be all "every Spyro is totally better than the last", because they aren`t, not in my eyes anyway.

One of my many mantras is "change need not be feared unless change is not needed". VU made an unnecessary number of changes that lead in no real direction; they simply wanted to relegate Spyro to mediocre platformer fare and make extra money off fans who want another purple dragon-portraying platformer romp.

Now, before I make mortal enemies due to a perceived short-sightedness on my part, I want to say that I myself welcome change when it brings positive developments. Sonic, for example, I like better today then back in the Genesis days. I`ve played those games a few times, and I can tell you that I like the newer look that Sonic sports, as well as the new moves he brings to 3-D such as the Homing Attack and Rail Grind.

So, in the end, it seems that change means something different for everyone, in which case no amount of change is inherently good or bad; it`s all a matter of perspective. I`ve given mine, and so long as it receives respect and unbiased criticism, I myself can give the same to others`. Maybe some people like the idea of a game like ANB, in which case they may present a similar argument of versatality in a franchise, something which I can respect.

ontels · Jun 03, 2007 5:54 AM

thats a good speech crossfire I got introduced to the series with the first game shortly after its relise but for some reason I still like the new games (some of them atleast)

Zekira Drake · Jun 03, 2007 6:01 AM

It's a simple answer, really: the old games are very different from the new ones, and it's all up to the person's preference.

jamieque · Jun 03, 2007 12:02 PM

MAN, CROSSFIRE!

That was real GOOD answer! I don't have one to give because you basically said everything I wanted to say. Then again I am sure many of you here already know how I feel about the quote 'Reboot' of the Spyro franchise with ANB.

The fact that my series and the upcoming movie exist gives everyone a good idea of how much I truly despise what VU did to this franchise. I love change but that change has to be done in a responsible and might I add RESPECTFUL way to wishes of the fans and original creators. The fact that VU's actions basically said, "Go to hell! We don't care what you guys want!" Truly sickens me.

They sad truth of all of this is that VU just doesn't get it. When we look at Spyro we see a interesting character with great potential. When VU and their friends look at Spyro... All they see is MONEY. (HEAR THAT SONG, 'i NEED MONEY' PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND!)

Spyro is their cash cow... Why would they care about making him interesting and unique? The answer is that they don't. The franchise DIDN'T need this reboot but it got one.

Thanks alot, VU... Oh well, I guess I am going to be working overtime to try and fix their blunder. Maybe once they get a glimpse at Legacy of Ages they will realize just how stupid their decision to make ANB was... or not! I honestly, if the Spyro franchise belonged to me, wouldn't have did a reboot. I would have used the ANB idea and premise as a part of Original Spyro Universe.

I am sure many of you have read my series so far... YES, THE SERIES IS A ROUGH VERSION OF MY IDEA OF WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE WITH SPYRO. I think exploring Spyro's background and history would have made for a great game. I have always wanted to know more about the little purple dragon. They should have fleshed his background out more and then went forward by expanding on his character. I would have loved to see a newer Spyro game with an ACTUAL deep story. ANB was decent don't get me wrong but it was just decent.

I want to be amazed...
I want to be surprised...
I want to see some evolution... for pete's sake!

The franchise didn't need a reboot. Noooo, what it needed was an evolution in the way the characters were done and their stories. Keeping all the characters in character and yet adding greater depth to each of them would have been wonderful and doable! The point is that they just didn't TRY or CARE TO TRY!

Nope... They go this route and call it DIFFERENT! I hate to say this, VU but the fans could have come up with a better idea for a game then the people you guys hire. And no I am not kidding when I say that... Many of you here have written Spyro stories/series on Fanfiction.NET that would make those idiots at VU go into shock from the level of inventiveness and detail that many of you came up with.

They just don't get it when it comes to actually doing this franchise right. The fans' wishes and desires must always come first before everything else. If you *bleep* off the fans then the franchise will die. It is a simple truth that even a total idiot with half a brain could figure out if they thought about it. The fact that they didn't consider doing a poll or asking the fans what they thought about this idea before actually starting to develop it shows that they just don't get it!

A COMPANY HAS TO PLEASE ITS FAN BASE BY ACTUALLY TAKING THE TIME TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR FAN BASE! They didn't do this and that is why I am doing what I am doing. I have a feeling that it will take a fan-made film to make them sit up and take notice of what they SHOULD be doing!

Geez, I went into a rant. Sorry about that guys but that is how I feel.

DanteAndVergil · Jun 03, 2007 1:54 PM

o_O i actually loved A New Beginning i found the gameplay fun, the storyline was great and the graphics and voice actors were great

SpyroGirl101 · Jun 03, 2007 9:43 PM

I like it, I just don't like the way they made Spyro & Sparx look.

ontels · Jun 04, 2007 2:48 PM

it would be cool if they made a spyro games with storys to rival final fantasy

DanteAndVergil · Jun 04, 2007 2:52 PM

to be honest the final fantasy series is getting old they are becoming rather crappy now sad the final fantasy's that i play still and always will are 7,8,9,10 the others nah i werent to keen on them but spyro i liked all the games from the main consoles (the GBA, DS and other handheld consoles were crap) and ETD that sucked also so i think that spyro could possibly beat the final fantasy series

KingPlayerPDX · Jun 04, 2007 3:24 PM

I'm not sure if it will beat FF.

DanteAndVergil · Jun 04, 2007 3:26 PM

its very possible i mean the final fantasy games are becoming rather boring now apart from 7,8,9,10 the newer ones are really boring and for the older ones 6 and below they suck

KingPlayerPDX · Jun 04, 2007 3:27 PM

People probably love FF7 only though but we'll see...

Rexy · Jun 14, 2007 8:48 PM

I feel a little odd as a Spyro fan, but I'll mention my point of view anyway.

See, I've folowed the series since I was 12 years old, when the fist title came out. I played it, enjoyed it, treasured it and may consider playing it again very soon as well.

Since then I managed to have all sorts of faiths in the series, even beyond the PS1 days. However, I felt it started to face a bit of a drop at around the time when Enter the Dragonfly came out to be honest - I never thought I'd see a Spyro game given so many serious bugs to comprehend and be treated as a way to sell. But I still kept faith because nothing could get that rough. And to this day, it still didn't.

My faith with the series temporarily vanished oddly enough not long after A Hero's Tail came out (sorry to those that liked it). I was actually disappointed on the complete change of feel and random change of personalities; the platformer itself was fine, but to me, it just didn't feel like the Spyro I knew anymore. Not even Shadow Legacy was enough to keep me interested at the time (yet I did eventually play that). So yes, if there was anything Spyro-related I did inbetween AHT and A New Beginning, it was spent remeniscing on the elder games.

It was actually A New Beginning that re-kindled my likings with the series. I respected the decisions moreso there than what were in the prior games; platformers are not going to cut it in this current generation in the way they are growing. Even Mario needed to find renovation once in a while, and I can't even imagine a powerful free-roaming platformer on current generation systems from the past two years or so. They might have some traces of platformer, but they're not pure. I feel the genre in general is getting old, hence the completely new direction for Spyro as required.

I did witness that game tore opinions apart, and I saw two discussions on that and respect them thoroughly. However, I'm one of those in favor of ANB, mainly because if Spyro kept on dealing with platformers in the style of what was shown in A Hero's Tail, the series may eventually struggle to maintain its audience, and to be honest it almost lost me.

This might be the oddest post I'd make, but I hope you understand my point.

TinTin · Jun 15, 2007 8:24 AM

I just found it too easy

and kind of a bit short

like A Hero's Tail took me days, even weeks to finish
and how they kept hunter and everybody and used all the old bosses was something i loved

i dont own Enter The Dragonfly due to it being way to buggy

but if they made A New Beginning harder
id love it

and plus more realms would have been nice

but i sooooo enjoyed the game ^_^

Crossfire · Jun 15, 2007 7:39 PM

Good points there, Rexy. It`s kind of sad to see that platformers aren`t what they used to be, but what is a platformer exactly anyways? These days, they`ve combined platformers with so many genres that platformers have become more of a supergenre than a mere genre in their own right.

One of the most popular combinations appears to be paltformer/adventure, particularly with a shooter element mixed in. Ratchet and Jak, I believe, are successful by platformer standards. And Sly fared well too, if I recall. So, it`s merely a matter of evolving the genre.

It seems, though, that the platformer as we know it is being supplanted by general adventure, which often incorporates paltformer elements (jumping first and foremost). So, it would seem that platformer is the man-ape of the third through sixth generations, and adventure is the 7th generation genre it is evolving into, the Man of gaming history.

But, all this doesn`t mean that Spyro couldn`t have stayed true to his roots while evolving his style, perhaps sharing some elements with what could`ve been his sister series, Ratchet & Clank (or should that be brother series?). In the end, though, what`s done is done, so all we can do now is see what KS has planned for our purple dragon.

Meanwhile, I`ll continue working on Elements of Kaos and adding new content to my two topics when I have something.

LoneKnight · Jun 15, 2007 10:28 PM

It's not based on a level system like the old ones, where you can visit/revisit many maps, you can't replay things, it's all linear.

Also the bad guys are all the same.

CinderNeopets · Jun 16, 2007 12:50 PM

no offence tro anyone who likes the old spyro games, but hes doing the same thing over again in spyro 1,2,3,4 and 5 spyro attacks are charge jump/ double jump, head bash, his breath attacks, secondary breath attacks and wing shield. ismocomic stopped making them because if you havent realised its the same thing but you get to play as new people!
Although Spyro a newq begining is repitive its better!!!!:) and eternal night is comming out to!(this is the logest speech i've ever done!)

Cynder is cute · Jun 16, 2007 7:18 PM

I like ANB, just Sparx and Spyro look weird and the game was waaaaaaay to short. AND they only put one female dragon.:( so i hated it. The music is still good, and I'm glad the gaurdians are on 4 legs now. o_O and the levles were to easy, and Elijah Wood's voice DID NOT suit Spyro.

EternalNight · Jun 16, 2007 7:28 PM

Cynder is cute wrote:

I like ANB, just Sparx and Spyro look weird and the game was waaaaaaay to short. AND they only put one female dragon.:( so i hated it. The music is still good, and I'm glad the gaurdians are on 4 legs now. o_O and the levles were to easy, and Elijah Wood's voice DID NOT suit Spyro.

U say u hate it and u liked it? And btw Elijah Wood's first try of voicing spyro for the ANB was very well done, I think it did suit the new spyro.

Cynder is cute · Jun 16, 2007 7:32 PM

My mom disagrees and so do i. I hated it when we got it because their were no females and i cried by myself...... then cynder came and i liked it a little. sad

soul · Jun 18, 2007 2:40 AM

I liked New Beginning until I have to pass the tests, learning the new attacks... Then I have to get my 15y.o. son to help. <_<
On the earlier Spyro games, his older brother helped(beat).LOL big_smile

RedTorchKing · Jun 28, 2007 8:18 PM

I found A New Beginning to easy. Also, I love the OLD Spyro games.

In ANB, they made Spyro walk like he was a pony, the voice was out of the ordinary, and the storyline was to short.

They made easy-to-do realms, didn't bother to use any of the characters that were really important to Spyro's adventures, and I finished it in less than 4 days.

They should of kept some of the characters there, atleast.

They should of kept the person who played his voice in the first three.

They should of made the challenges .. challenging.

They should of did alot of things that they didn't do..

I was playing Ripto's Rage earlier and I saw how much fun it could be. What happened to the bosses like Gulp, Ripto, and Crush? The ones that were fun and challenging for beginners.

I like a New Beginning, but the oldies are the best! There's no challenge in ANB! Nobody wants to play a weak game. Prior to ANB, Spyro has always been like a Hero. Every little kid who played Spyro surely wanted to be like him. What happened to that?

People want the games thatll take weeks to finish and have difficult realms that make a sence of pride in them when they do those realms. I found that very little in ANB. Like I said, ANB was a good game but the REAL Spyro would have made something much better.

RedTorchKing

andi01 · Jun 28, 2007 9:10 PM

it was the storyline and the same things kept happening over and over again plus you cant go back were you were before! i wont it really annoying and boring zzzzzzzz......

RedTorchKing · Jul 17, 2007 6:05 PM

I didn't like ANB mostly because of it's lack of important characters in Spyro's adventure. What happened to Spyro? Was he reborn along side Sparx? It sure does make it seem so.

What happened to the different realms ?

Having to pay to get somewhere?

Why did Spyro prance around like a pony?? Spyro is a dragon! He should walk like a dragon.

Also , the story line was unacceptable. Way to short in my opinion. To me, the storyline was extremely short.

Oh yeah! I remember now .. the thing that mostly caught my attention . SPARX!

Sparx had transformed from the brave, adventurous partner to a spineless (please, no comments on how Sparx is a dragonfly and never had a spine to begin with. ), wimp of a side-kick. Ofcourse, to me anyways, this was incontravertable seeing as Insomniac made the brave partner that once was "Sparx". It was only a matter of time before someone moved in and changed him. Though he was as spineless and I stated, he also stuck alongside spyro, which was one thing I thought to be fitting. The new Sparx is a bit out of touch. (Though, while hating his mind for the english language, I also accually enjoyed it. Having Sparx talk was a real treat.)

Back to my first issue. The characters that are so important to Spyro are gone! Where did they go? What happened to Elora, The Professor, Hunter, Moneybags, and Zoe? These characters are the best! Whoever deleted them from the journey that everyone loves should be fired. Thank you, and goodbye.

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