Is it clear to everyone that Spyro and Cynder did not die at the end of DoTD?

Jackson117 · Jun 24, 2010 6:28 AM

They are alive...Notice the background has two moons..Avalar as two moons.

carrington · Sep 11, 2010 2:08 PM

Jackson117 wrote:

They are alive...Notice the background has two moons..Avalar as two moons.

ur right andu know what , im tired of all this wyning an telling eachother what should be done....
do it urself! call the frikin peple who makethe games, or make one urself,
thats how ur gonna get anything done to make people happy! ....now i cant do it, im only 12 butyall can!

Clock-la · Sep 11, 2010 2:54 PM

carrington wrote:

Jackson117 wrote:
They are alive...Notice the background has two moons..Avalar as two moons.
ur right andu know what , im tired of all this wyning an telling eachother what should be done....
do it urself! call the frikin peple who makethe games, or make one urself,
thats how ur gonna get anything done to make people happy! ....now i cant do it, im only 12 butyall can!

no we can't, we have no team of workers nor the equipment to do so. and to E-mail activtion is like sending a letter to the tooth fairy.

so all im saying to you little man is to wait and i donno...whist your waiting for news get some other games that intrest you, and if theres still no spyro news affter that well then all I can say is wait some more hmm

blngblngboy1 wrote:

when i first beat DOTD i texted all of my friends that spyro and cynder died. THEN i saw the end of the cutscene and flipped out cuz i had to tell everyone that "NO THEY DID NOT DIE".

no offence but If was your mate and was a fan of the serries to get a text saying there dead, oh wait there not, i would hate you for life. lulz.

carrington · Sep 11, 2010 9:27 PM

FYI im a girl, plus i know someone whos dad works for activistion , somabey i could hlep, tell him about the forums and se the ideas.....

Clock-la · Sep 11, 2010 9:41 PM

carrington wrote:

FYI im a girl, plus i know someone whos dad works for activistion , somabey i could hlep, tell him about the forums and se the ideas.....

sorry tongue

also...I don't trust people that say my dad works for "activistion" or anyother places. sorry but they always end up been just some guy at a dead end job.

and its not that simple...due to the fact he might work in a different section and not be linked in with spyro at all.

that and most fandom idears are awfull IMo.

darkhorus · Oct 20, 2010 6:35 PM

To people who originally thought Spyro and Cynder had died: Why did you think they had died?
What had happened in the battle with Malefor and the cutscene following it that led you to believe
they may have died?

Elayra · Jan 29, 2011 3:15 AM

They are not dead, that is an undeniable fact which reasons of have already been told and analyzed many times.

The point that bothers me, and to which my mind cannot come to terms with, is in what way are they alive? As there are several ways one can be dead (take Ignitus, or the various dragon spirits we see in the last cutscene) there also are different ways to be alive. What makes me think they are not truly flying all happy somewhere in the world? As much as I would love to believe that and feel happy for it, I just can't seem to be able to, my mind refuses to blindly accept that.

First of all. Yes, the Chronicler did not find any death page of Spyro (or Cynder for that matter i'd guess), but why can't he then find a live page of them? What I mean is, in those books it's stored a whole life of a dragon, and not just major happenings and certainly not just deaths. The Chronicler itself is a kind of "superior being", with power (and sight) that goes way beyond our comprehension, yet in all of his power, he cannot see a couple dragons flying somewhere or lazying under a tree?
On top of that, the Chronicler showed in TEN that he can mentally connect with another dragon, at least through dreams (I assume he can do that with anyone, he just chose not to as he's usually a mere observer and should not interact with the happenings of the world), so why can't he find them in that way? This makes me believe that whatever is going on with Spyro and Cynder, there could be a greater force in play, or some way of life that clouds his vision.
Possible explanation to this point: the Chronicler's books ended at the destruction of the old world, and so he can't see whatever new happenings are going on, and the last flying cutscene being actually what Ignitus is seeing in the book as the very first thing in the new book (or a representation of him finding them). Possible, but probable? Next.

Point two. I can't believe that after all that Spyro went through, he would not -instantly- return back to the dragon city, to seek out Sparx and the other guardians, check out if everyone is alright etc. It's simply too egoistic to his LoS personality to just take a "vacation" as soon as saving the world, leaving so many friends behind in worry.
Possible explanation to this point: Spyro has been awakened to direct love for someone. While before he only knew care and heroism for everyone else, now he is facing his love for Cynder which might make him act differently for the first period of the emotional rush (we all know how love can affect one's mind even in the real world) so it is very possible that he did indeed fly away somewhere with Cynder to get away, briefly, from the constant urgency he went through basicly non-stop. (Reminding you that from the moment he moved away from the swamp parents in ANB, till the very end of DotD he was doing nothing but fighting to save the world, besides a very short break between ANB and TEN, which I assume it has been of merely a few days or couple of weeks. And yes, 3 years passed between TEN and DotD, but he was sleeping there. He basicly fought Gaul, fell into a dreamless sleep, woke up soon after and began his epic 2 days long quest to save the world... again.) Once again possible, but probable? I truly have no answer to this question, as personality is a very subjective topic.

Third. The last cutscene, topic of so many debates. Flying on the world, flying in heaven, memories, spirits? I can't say what it is, nor materially and practically what it -could- be, but I can say what it feels like. To me, it feels more like a tribute to Spyro and Cynder than any real portraying of any body, spirit or memory flying around. And I mean an actual non-storyline thing, but a flying image put there especially made for the fans to honor these dragons, and give us hope and happy feelings. I admit I did not read up much about how did the Spyro rights move around, but they did move again after DotD have they not? If the producers knew that would be their last game in the seriers, putting in that last cutscene in honor of their two creatures would make perfect sense. Though I might be wrong on that, as I said, i do not know when and how did the rights move.

My conclusions. First i'd like to say I am not against any theory (besides the death one, which in my opinion has the most solid proofs against), and personally I would quite much like indeed if they were alive and happy somewhere. But, in my doubts, there are other theories that came up in my mind that are a bit sadder, unfortunately. There are merely a few I can think about, and none of them I wish to be true. One, they could have been shoved into another dimension or another world, which would explain both my first points, but it is the very less likely one.
Two, the ancestor spirits might have saved them in some way (I assume the purple spirits defeating Malefor were ancestor spirits? Who knows but anyway I mean those.), leaving them completely unconcious somewhere on the planet. Or temporarily stuck somewhere maybe in a purple crystal that the spirits then shoved out of the planet core and is now lying somewhere waiting to be found? Just speculations, but also this one would explain my first two points well.
I have a third explaination, which I am leaning towards a bit more than my second one, but is also much more sadder. This comes from Ignitus' words to Spyro when he realizes he can save the world, he says that when a dragon dies, he does not truly leave the world but his spirit lives on, binding with nature. "Binding with nature" is the key here. It's what I think made Spyro realize what he can do. In short: purple dragon can use every single nature element, which means he is the only dragon that could bind with every element as well, and the only way to put the world back together. Now what does that mean? What is that last action he does to save the world? In my humble and hopefully wrong opinion, he is making himself (with Cynder's help and support, and thus having her join him) become the "glue" essence that brings the world together again. Not just a simple spirit living in a crystal, or in a tree or in the winds, but holding the whole planet on his back, so to say. This theory leads me to believe they might either be
A) in an eternal rest with their bodies still present, but forever locked in the middle of the planet, like keystones of a building, energies channeling around them to keep the world together or
B ) their bodies gone, but their very life force (and mind, concience) becoming an integrant part of the whole planet. Both of these would still let them be together, sorta, and alive, sorta, so technically it would not contradict point 1, and would also be a "happy" ending, symbolized by point 3 cutscene. Yet, both of these versions are quite sad ones, but considering the matter of the Spyro rights moving around, I would think such an ending could only be hinted at, while truly just leaving doors open for every possibility.

In conclusion, and forgive the lenghtiness of this post, I do not believe they are truly dead, but I have serious doubts we will ever see LoS Spyro and Cynder back ever again. Their voyage has been an epic one, and one that I personally loved, and it is a Spyro veteran speaking that has had many doubts and prejudices to the LoS series, but had a mind change after playing it.
Yet, all good and epic things must come to an end eventually as well, and as much as I will keep hoping to see them again in the future, to see this reincarnation of Spyro, and Cynder, I cannot currently see that happening, the ending of DotD was made and weaved for this to be the end of a journey, letting the watchers think on over the future like in every good open ending movie. Nevertheless, I dearly wish to be proved wrong eventually.

MaxwellTheScribblenaut · Jun 01, 2011 12:14 AM

Rurikredwolf wrote:

That's the thing right there.
Every story has a happy ending. Rarely do you find someone who has the guts to do something drastic. I'm quite tired of it. Shakespeare did it. Why can't modern day ones do it?
Becuase of fans. If you follow fan direction, you get fanservice. Going with the original idea is a good thing.

Well, (OFF TOPIC KINDA) I'm ready this story called On My Honor in school, and I already read ahead to the end and the main character dies. So much for always happy endings tongue

spyro17 · Jun 03, 2011 3:15 PM

I don't agree the los series was good the credits were sad and the ending was very happy I hope that they make a fourth los game and the final boss is a never heard or seen characters

JazzJackrabbit · Jun 03, 2011 4:33 PM

My theory is that they froze again. Maybe they live to be awoken. It wasn't a satisfying ending.

Leo · Jun 04, 2011 6:36 AM

JazzJackrabbit wrote:

My theory is that they froze again. Maybe they live to be awoken. It wasn't a satisfying ending.

Nor a satisfying game series for that matter....<.< But anyways, I found it clear they didn't die. Though, what happened afterwards is anyone's guess.

spyro17 · Jun 04, 2011 10:12 PM

Since they are alive if they got seperated they would try to find each other because in the 2nd game cynder is the only one who can control spyro and turn him back when he turned into dark spyro and also how in dotd she I think hugs spyro by puting her chek on his.

bane dragon · Jul 31, 2011 4:44 AM

For my thoughts on the "still alive" thing, I think they're stuck. the fans who just like seeing the purple dragon are pressuring them right now for a 4th story, but the ones who remember the original light-hearted series fondly want something different. This is a month late on posting, but I just got here and my idea for a "sequel" of sorts would be the newest post in the "Future of Spyro" section of the forums. Pretty much tying in what the LoS series was planning on doing in the beginning anyway.

WarriorsCatsClans · Oct 07, 2011 2:26 AM

I know. Those people didn't see the cutscence at the end of the credits.

SpyroTloS · Oct 07, 2011 3:28 AM

darkhorus wrote:

To people who originally thought Spyro and Cynder had died: Why did you think they had died?
What had happened in the battle with Malefor and the cutscene following it that led you to believe
they may have died?

Long story short..
Some people are to lazzy to skip the credits
and watch the cutscene after the credits.
shame shame.

SpyroTloS · Oct 07, 2011 4:15 AM

Elayra wrote:

They are not dead, that is an undeniable fact which reasons of have already been told and analyzed many times.
The point that bothers me, and to which my mind cannot come to terms with, is in what way are they alive? As there are several ways one can be dead (take Ignitus, or the various dragon spirits we see in the last cutscene) there also are different ways to be alive. What makes me think they are not truly flying all happy somewhere in the world? As much as I would love to believe that and feel happy for it, I just can't seem to be able to, my mind refuses to blindly accept that.
First of all. Yes, the Chronicler did not find any death page of Spyro (or Cynder for that matter i'd guess), but why can't he then find a live page of them? What I mean is, in those books it's stored a whole life of a dragon, and not just major happenings and certainly not just deaths. The Chronicler itself is a kind of "superior being", with power (and sight) that goes way beyond our comprehension, yet in all of his power, he cannot see a couple dragons flying somewhere or lazying under a tree?
On top of that, the Chronicler showed in TEN that he can mentally connect with another dragon, at least through dreams (I assume he can do that with anyone, he just chose not to as he's usually a mere observer and should not interact with the happenings of the world), so why can't he find them in that way? This makes me believe that whatever is going on with Spyro and Cynder, there could be a greater force in play, or some way of life that clouds his vision.
Possible explanation to this point: the Chronicler's books ended at the destruction of the old world, and so he can't see whatever new happenings are going on, and the last flying cutscene being actually what Ignitus is seeing in the book as the very first thing in the new book (or a representation of him finding them). Possible, but probable? Next.
Point two. I can't believe that after all that Spyro went through, he would not -instantly- return back to the dragon city, to seek out Sparx and the other guardians, check out if everyone is alright etc. It's simply too egoistic to his LoS personality to just take a "vacation" as soon as saving the world, leaving so many friends behind in worry.
Possible explanation to this point: Spyro has been awakened to direct love for someone. While before he only knew care and heroism for everyone else, now he is facing his love for Cynder which might make him act differently for the first period of the emotional rush (we all know how love can affect one's mind even in the real world) so it is very possible that he did indeed fly away somewhere with Cynder to get away, briefly, from the constant urgency he went through basicly non-stop. (Reminding you that from the moment he moved away from the swamp parents in ANB, till the very end of DotD he was doing nothing but fighting to save the world, besides a very short break between ANB and TEN, which I assume it has been of merely a few days or couple of weeks. And yes, 3 years passed between TEN and DotD, but he was sleeping there. He basicly fought Gaul, fell into a dreamless sleep, woke up soon after and began his epic 2 days long quest to save the world... again.) Once again possible, but probable? I truly have no answer to this question, as personality is a very subjective topic.
Third. The last cutscene, topic of so many debates. Flying on the world, flying in heaven, memories, spirits? I can't say what it is, nor materially and practically what it -could- be, but I can say what it feels like. To me, it feels more like a tribute to Spyro and Cynder than any real portraying of any body, spirit or memory flying around. And I mean an actual non-storyline thing, but a flying image put there especially made for the fans to honor these dragons, and give us hope and happy feelings. I admit I did not read up much about how did the Spyro rights move around, but they did move again after DotD have they not? If the producers knew that would be their last game in the seriers, putting in that last cutscene in honor of their two creatures would make perfect sense. Though I might be wrong on that, as I said, i do not know when and how did the rights move.
My conclusions. First i'd like to say I am not against any theory (besides the death one, which in my opinion has the most solid proofs against), and personally I would quite much like indeed if they were alive and happy somewhere. But, in my doubts, there are other theories that came up in my mind that are a bit sadder, unfortunately. There are merely a few I can think about, and none of them I wish to be true. One, they could have been shoved into another dimension or another world, which would explain both my first points, but it is the very less likely one.
Two, the ancestor spirits might have saved them in some way (I assume the purple spirits defeating Malefor were ancestor spirits? Who knows but anyway I mean those.), leaving them completely unconcious somewhere on the planet. Or temporarily stuck somewhere maybe in a purple crystal that the spirits then shoved out of the planet core and is now lying somewhere waiting to be found? Just speculations, but also this one would explain my first two points well.
I have a third explaination, which I am leaning towards a bit more than my second one, but is also much more sadder. This comes from Ignitus' words to Spyro when he realizes he can save the world, he says that when a dragon dies, he does not truly leave the world but his spirit lives on, binding with nature. "Binding with nature" is the key here. It's what I think made Spyro realize what he can do. In short: purple dragon can use every single nature element, which means he is the only dragon that could bind with every element as well, and the only way to put the world back together. Now what does that mean? What is that last action he does to save the world? In my humble and hopefully wrong opinion, he is making himself (with Cynder's help and support, and thus having her join him) become the "glue" essence that brings the world together again. Not just a simple spirit living in a crystal, or in a tree or in the winds, but holding the whole planet on his back, so to say. This theory leads me to believe they might either be
A) in an eternal rest with their bodies still present, but forever locked in the middle of the planet, like keystones of a building, energies channeling around them to keep the world together or
B ) their bodies gone, but their very life force (and mind, concience) becoming an integrant part of the whole planet. Both of these would still let them be together, sorta, and alive, sorta, so technically it would not contradict point 1, and would also be a "happy" ending, symbolized by point 3 cutscene. Yet, both of these versions are quite sad ones, but considering the matter of the Spyro rights moving around, I would think such an ending could only be hinted at, while truly just leaving doors open for every possibility.
In conclusion, and forgive the lenghtiness of this post, I do not believe they are truly dead, but I have serious doubts we will ever see LoS Spyro and Cynder back ever again. Their voyage has been an epic one, and one that I personally loved, and it is a Spyro veteran speaking that has had many doubts and prejudices to the LoS series, but had a mind change after playing it.
Yet, all good and epic things must come to an end eventually as well, and as much as I will keep hoping to see them again in the future, to see this reincarnation of Spyro, and Cynder, I cannot currently see that happening, the ending of DotD was made and weaved for this to be the end of a journey, letting the watchers think on over the future like in every good open ending movie. Nevertheless, I dearly wish to be proved wrong eventually.

In paragrah 2 , you said
"First of all. Yes, the Chronicler did not find any death page of Spyro (or Cynder for that matter i'd guess), but why can't he then find a live page of them? What I mean is, in those books it's stored a whole life of a dragon, and not just major happenings and certainly not just deaths."

Lets look back on our english lessons a bit..
when you watch the cutscene he says " When a dragon dies, a NEW page is written in this book" ...pay attion to when he says " When a dragon dies " that means hes not Looking in the books of live dragons, he doesnt care if spyro is alive..well he does care, but you get my point he just wants to see if hes dead or not!, clearly if he cant find him in his " Dead " books, spyro is NOT dead, and him makeing Ignitus the new Chronicler, it goes to his crystal necklace and shows where spyro is, witch looks like the valy of avlar. I hope i made my point clearly across this. And excuse me for my spelling.

You said " yet in all of his power, he cannot see a couple dragons flying somewhere or lazying under a tree? "

In " The Legend of Spyro : ANB " when he enters the room with the "Pool of visions ", just think about that scene for a second, and bear with me..
They clearly made this for information on this cutscene at the end of dotd..
when sparx comes in and mocks ignitus by saying " what am i thinking now...wait wait..okay now" he says " I'm Affraid it doesnt work that way, young sparx , it takes time.. "
Think about that for a minute... when the chronicler gave his position to ignitus he says " Where might you be , looking into the book "
This part might be confusing , but the crystal is " i belive " kind of a sorce of the " pool of visions " that makes the books work.
So the chronicler cant watch spyro and cynder and see everything there doing 24\7
" Im affraid it doesnt work that way, young sparx...it takes time.."
I hope i got my point out there the way i wanted it to come out. and again please excuse my spelling.

You said " the Chronicler's books ended at the destruction of the old world, and so he can't see whatever new happenings are going on, and the last flying cutscene being actually what Ignitus is seeing in the book as the very first thing in the new book (or a representation of him finding them). Possible, but probable? Next."

At the beggining of the cutscene he also said
"This has been my job for many melina , and ignitus i pass this job , to you "
*Disapeers* *ignitus goes blue *

= Ignitus is the new chronicler for the ---- hold on..hold that thought
lets Rewind a bit...frrrreeew all the way to , right b4 the destroyer comes out of the volcano , Go to this Link real fast...go to the 16th Video down
and skip allthe way to "11:13 and watch all the way to 12:22"

http://{ spam website }/t26-watch-dotd#262

Ignitus: I cant belive it either, the acients belived that this creature brings about the birth of a new world .....sparx talks....." by issueing its destruckion"

The world does get destroyed...and the chronicler gives ignitus the postition because he was worthy for it. in a more simple way of saying it
New World= New Chronicler

But you knew that allready, what im saying is when he says
"Well young dragon...where might you be" , remember in the past the chronicler says " i cant find"..." i cant find ANY trace of spyro "...b4 that " Each time a dragon dies a new page is written in this book" What is ignitus looking at when he says " Well , young dragon, where might you be" Means he's not in the book , so it goes to the cutscene with them flying together with spyro chasein cynder ... it means they ARE Alive.
Hope i made this just as clear as i was expecting it to be...and again please excuse my spelling errors.

You also said " Point two. I can't believe that after all that Spyro went through, he would not -instantly- return back to the dragon city, to seek out Sparx and the other guardians, check out if everyone is alright etc. It's simply too egoistic to his LoS personality to just take a "vacation" as soon as saving the world, leaving so many friends behind in worry. "

At the end cutscene....it showes sparx and all the other gardains comeing out of the caves when sparx lead them into the underground caves...that bascily is " spyro checking on them "
and spyro and cynder were celibrateing there victory! thats why they were chaseing eachother and why cynder had a BIG SMILE on her face!
..excuse the spelling again.

PYROX · Dec 09, 2011 3:18 PM

You can see in the cutscene they zoom in on Ignitus' crystal :3
anyway, yeah it looks like they're flying in avalar. As you can see the Celestial moons above there. and it looks all enchanted forest-ey.

But I do think there's something going on..That they're not 'totally' alive or something. I mean, like mentioned, he doesn't seek out where his friends are. Show he's okay. Maybe it has something to do with re-incarnation, or their bodies remained the same, just spirit reborn. Or sumfin xp

Maybe they lost their memories? But they kept the memory of each other since they both died at the same time at the same place close. This gives Sierra/activision an open plot for a (maybe) next Spyro game that continues TLSO. Spyro would need to discover his friends back and all that. I know they won't produce another TLSO itself, but they DID say they'd continue with the same background story. - Terrador the new leader of the guardians, Ignitus the new Chronicler, etc. And the world is together yet it's in pieces. So it's a whole new world era. or..Spyro needs to repair what is broken of the floating around world pieces. (Sonic Unleashed? Lol.)

Well whatever tongue This is just a thought of my mind. That something just 'isn't right' that they're still...REALLY alive. And I'm VERY curious what that is. Or yeah..the re-incarnation thing x3

Clock-la · Dec 09, 2011 5:19 PM

Well TBH, prehaps they just wanted time together rather than returning as hero's to be giving all the attention.

PYROX · Dec 09, 2011 5:59 PM

Clock-la wrote:

Well TBH, prehaps they just wanted time together rather than returning as hero's to be giving all the attention.

I dunno. Mostly they'd end up worried and trying to find their way back home. FInd sparx back etc. xp

MoonDragoness · Dec 10, 2011 9:56 PM

"You see, each time a dragon dies, a new page is written in this book. I've done my best...but I can't seem to find any trace of Spyro."

Notice he didn't say anything about not finding Cynder. tongue Idk. Just putting that out there.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Dec 11, 2011 7:03 AM

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