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EricChristianOlsenFanatic · Apr 28, 2012 10:56 PM

Why in Dawn of The Dragon did Spyro think he was gonna turn out like Malefor? Malefor is evil and full of hatred and destruction and well Spyro is not. Can someone explain this to me?

Latias fan · Apr 28, 2012 11:09 PM

Because the ultimate fate of purple dragons is too destroy the world then recreate it. Spyro was afraid he would do the same thing as Malefor was trying to do in the future.

Swaffy · Apr 30, 2012 5:24 AM

Because Malefor took Cynder's macaroni & cheese.

Heh, Latias got it.

Aura24 · Apr 30, 2012 6:57 AM

Justin Long fanatic wrote:

Why in Dawn of The Dragon did Spyro think he was gonna turn out like Malefor? Malefor is evil and full of hatred and destruction and well Spyro is not. Can someone explain this to me?

Because since he's a purple dragon like Malefor, Spyro thinks he might become evil. But since he's not like Malefor, Spyro's existence of being a good purple dragon cancels out Malefor's evil.

Clock-la · Apr 30, 2012 4:48 PM

Latias fan wrote:

Because the ultimate fate of purple dragons is too destroy the world then recreate it. Spyro was afraid he would do the same thing as Malefor was trying to do in the future.

yer.
appart from the recreation part...they never mentioned that it was just "IMMA BLOW THIS PLACE UP!!!!"

Latias fan · Apr 30, 2012 6:58 PM

Clock-la wrote:

Latias fan wrote:
Because the ultimate fate of purple dragons is too destroy the world then recreate it. Spyro was afraid he would do the same thing as Malefor was trying to do in the future.
yer.
appart from the recreation part...they never mentioned that it was just "IMMA BLOW THIS PLACE UP!!!!"

I figured it would be to recreate the world in their vision. Or maybe I've been playing one too many JRPGs in my life where villains tend to do that.

Stormy · Apr 30, 2012 8:12 PM

^ I don't think that was ever stated, but that's pretty much what I assumed it was too, because otherwise he has to be destroying it "because it's his destiny" with no actual reason why it's his destiny.

The whole "destroying the world" thing just seems like lazy writing, like they weren't creative enough to think of a realistic threat to the protagonists and just defaulted to the cliche power-hungry villain, and it's not just LoS, either; like you said, it seems pretty common in JRPGs, and also in the Mass Effect series.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · Apr 30, 2012 9:02 PM

they do recreate the world, but not by choice.

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Spyro broke that chain.

Stormy · May 01, 2012 12:35 AM

I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?

Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.

EricChristianOlsenFanatic · May 01, 2012 12:39 AM

So wait all purple dragons that came before Spyro excluding Malefor destroyed the world? I'm confused, did all the purple dragons that came before Spyro and Malefor do the same thing Malefor tried to do, which is resurrect the Golem and the Destroyer to destroy the world? Ugh!

Latias fan · May 01, 2012 12:40 AM

Stormy wrote:

I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?
Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.

Won't that be a ripoff of Mass Effect though?(In which they probably ripped it off from something else I'm not aware of cus WRPGs tend to have unoriginal plots OH SNAP!!)

Stormy · May 01, 2012 12:44 AM

Latias fan wrote:

Stormy wrote:
I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?
Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.
Won't that be a ripoff of Mass Effect though?(In which they probably ripped it off from something else I'm not aware of cus WRPGs tend to have unoriginal plots OH SNAP!!)

Not really, unless I'm understanding ME's story wrong, too. Any Mass Effect nerds can feel free to correct me, but I'm pretty sure the Reapers kill off a species when they get "too advanced" (not for world improvement) and never give a reason why they're doing it. When you ask Harbinger why he just says something like "it's beyond your comprehension." Kind of a cop-out. roll

I haven't played ME3 yet, but from what I've heard, the reason they commit mass genocide every few thousand years is never explained.

Latias fan · May 01, 2012 12:50 AM

Stormy wrote:

Latias fan wrote:
Stormy wrote:
I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?
Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.
Won't that be a ripoff of Mass Effect though?(In which they probably ripped it off from something else I'm not aware of cus WRPGs tend to have unoriginal plots OH SNAP!!)
Not really, unless I'm understanding ME's story wrong, too. Any Mass Effect nerds can feel free to correct me, but I'm pretty sure the Reapers kill off a species when they get "too advanced" (not for world improvement) and never give a reason why they're doing it. When you ask Harbinger why he just says something like "it's beyond your comprehension." Kind of a cop-out.
I haven't played ME3 yet, but from what I've heard, the reason they commit mass genocide every few thousand years is never explained.

Yea seems stupid to me. Least Kefka(From FF6) had a pretty reasonable explanation to want to destroy the world. He's literary insane. As you see throughout the game. Here It seems to be "I want to destroy the world for the ELULZ for something.

Aura24 · May 01, 2012 3:01 AM

Justin Long fanatic wrote:

So wait all purple dragons that came before Spyro excluding Malefor destroyed the world? I'm confused, did all the purple dragons that came before Spyro and Malefor do the same thing Malefor tried to do, which is resurrect the Golem and the Destroyer to destroy the world? Ugh!

There hasn't been confirmation about other purple dragons before Malefor. Malefor claimed that the duty of the purple dragon was to destroy the world.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · May 01, 2012 3:49 AM

not going to bother with spoilers because entire thread is a spoiler.

there are a couple of possibilities there.

one is that this has all been building up: one purple dragon would do this thing, the next would do that thing, and Malefor was the one to actually destroy it, but as he said, he used Spyro and Cynder along the way.

another is that the world is indeed destroyed every time a purple dragon comes along, but the energy of the spirits of the dragons brings the world back.

as for it being blown up, nobody said it has to be blown up. well, Malefor did, but Malefor is apparently very deceptive and speaks with about 40,000 voice effects at the same time. it was just something that was happening, and nature managed to turn everything around every time. now that Malefor is destroyed, and now that Spyro has indeed fulfilled his alleged destiny through Malefor's deception, things are back to normal, and will probably stop, since the world's destruction was already reversed with Spyro still living and being the good guy - peace has been restored, so the cycle will probably stop.

Stormy · May 01, 2012 4:19 AM

Cool, thanks for the answers. I am not sure how much of that is fan theory, but maybe it's a bit more complex and even a little less cliche than I thought.

Enigma · May 01, 2012 7:38 AM

Latias fan wrote:

Stormy wrote:
I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?
Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.
Won't that be a ripoff of Mass Effect though?(In which they probably ripped it off from something else I'm not aware of cus WRPGs tend to have unoriginal plots OH SNAP!!)

*cough

this was 1999

Latias fan · May 01, 2012 7:06 PM

Enigma wrote:

Latias fan wrote:
Stormy wrote:
I feel kind of silly discussing and even reading about this, but what the heck. So only purple dragons blow up the world and recreate an improved version of it, but the rest of the dragons just "improve" it somehow without destroying anything? How did that ever come about? What's wrong with the world in this universe that it has to be blown up and remade every x years? What's the improvement?
Actually this could have been a cool story: dragons are being wiped out because another species is killing them to better the world in whatever necessary way, and the main character has to find a way around this that still helps the world. But I digress.
Won't that be a ripoff of Mass Effect though?(In which they probably ripped it off from something else I'm not aware of cus WRPGs tend to have unoriginal plots OH SNAP!!)
*cough

this was 1999

So Mass Effect is basically that only with dating sim mechanics, While Bioware got the Dragon Age from Lord of the Rings....

OMG Do you see now why I hate Bioware people?

EricChristianOlsenFanatic · May 02, 2012 5:36 PM

In other words pretty much everything that come out of Malefor's mouth is a lie, I mean granted we don't know if Cynder did lure Spyro to the Well of Souls, but IMO she was kidnapped and taken there, she didn't choose to go there so Spyro would get screwed. As for the other stuff Malefor said I call BS.

Swaffy · May 07, 2012 5:27 AM

If only Spyro had a Bofors 40mm strapped to his back.
Malefor would be a chopped meat sandwich.

Player movement was too strict in DotD. As much as I liked flying, I felt like a
bird in a small cage after being told to run free.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · May 07, 2012 8:40 PM

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EricChristianOlsenFanatic · May 08, 2012 1:45 AM

Tell you what would have been weird if instead of lovers Spyro and Cynder were brother and sister, I also find it interesting how there were no wind dragon guardians in TLOS, and it would have been more interesting if they showed Spyro and Cynder's parents. Course so many people still think Malefor is Spyro's dad or Ignitus is Spyro's dad. Also how come Cynder is black in ANB, then gray and then dark purple? Someone explain that please. Ugh so many dang plotholes in The Legend of Spyro series.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · May 08, 2012 2:18 AM

Justin Long fanatic wrote:

Tell you what would have been weird if instead of lovers Spyro and Cynder were brother and sister, I also find it interesting how there were no wind dragon guardians in TLOS, and it would have been more interesting if they showed Spyro and Cynder's parents. Course so many people still think Malefor is Spyro's dad or Ignitus is Spyro's dad. Also how come Cynder is black in ANB, then gray and then dark purple? Someone explain that please. Ugh so many dang plotholes in The Legend of Spyro series.

i have a theory about the coloring. (lololololazy programmers) anyway, my theory relevant to the plotline is that it represents her losing the evil inside of her. she was black when she first became good again, then she was gray, showing the "darkness" (hate that metaphor) was leaving her, and then by DOTD she was that color, closer to Spyro's color, and Spyro is the character of general goodness in the story.

about Spyro and Cynder's parents,

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EricChristianOlsenFanatic · May 08, 2012 2:23 AM

36IStillLikeSpyro36 wrote:

Justin Long fanatic wrote:
Tell you what would have been weird if instead of lovers Spyro and Cynder were brother and sister, I also find it interesting how there were no wind dragon guardians in TLOS, and it would have been more interesting if they showed Spyro and Cynder's parents. Course so many people still think Malefor is Spyro's dad or Ignitus is Spyro's dad. Also how come Cynder is black in ANB, then gray and then dark purple? Someone explain that please. Ugh so many dang plotholes in The Legend of Spyro series.
i have a theory about the coloring. (lololololazy programmers) anyway, my theory relevant to the plotline is that it represents her losing the evil inside of her. she was black when she first became good again, then she was gray, showing the "darkness" (hate that metaphor) was leaving her, and then by DOTD she was that color, closer to Spyro's color, and Spyro is the character of general goodness in the story.
about Spyro and Cynder's parents,
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i have no idea. anyway, what in the world happened to Sparx's parents?! Spyro in ANB said "wait til i tell the folks about this!" or something during training, he never does!

Oh yeah I forgot about that quote during the fire training where Spyro says wait till I tell the folks about this, what the heck game! Another thing I always wanted to know is what Malefor was like when he was young, Chief Prowlus even says I have not forgotten what they say Malefor was like when he was young. What was Malefor like? Also how the heck does the Hermit know Cynder? I mean that part still confuses me to this day.

36IStillLikeSpyro36 · May 08, 2012 2:48 AM

I RELIED ON YOU HUNTER

AS I MUST RELY ON ALL OF US IN THIS COLLECTION OF HOUSE-SHAPED STICK STRUCTURES TO PROTECT IT

teehee. i wonder what Malefor's image was doing in the Ruins of Warfang. i don't remember any mention of his personality when he was young. i know the Chronicler talks about him, getting powers and going crazy, but i don't know if he (or anyone, really) made references to his personality. how did the Hermit know so much? the apes worked more for their own gain than Malefor's... who is this guy, how in the world did he know that? it's the details they need to work out.

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